Countries to flee to

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Leaving your country is a drastic and sometimes neccessary step to take. The fact that you leave does not mean you give up on the country you leave behind, now with internet being politically active does not require you to live in the country you are trying to change, living far away is actually safer since the power structure may target dissidents in various ways.

You dont want to be forced to take harmful psychiatric drugs (community treatment order or psych ward torture) or be jailed becuase you fucked a 13 year old girl.

Estonia
Age of Consent = 14
language = Estonian
imprisonment rate * 100000 = 187
murder rate * 10000000 = 319

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/country_result.jsp?country=Estonia

Iceland
Age of Consent = 15
Language = Icelandic
imprisonment rate * 100000 = 37
murder rate * 1000000 = 30

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25201471

Argentina
Age of Consent = 13*
language = Spanish
murder rate * 10000000 = 594

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6735109/

* fucking anyone under 18 can still be illegal depending on circumstances

https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/argentina

Germany
Age of consent = 14
Language = German
Imprisonment rate * 100000 = 94
murder rate * 10000000 = 118

Sweden
Age of consent = 15
language = Swedish
imprisonment rate * 100000 = 43
murder rate * 10000000 = 114

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden#Crime_rates_in_2019

Psychiatry laws are bad but mentally ill people are still ignored due to lack of resources (including people that want to be taken in).

The swedish culture is rather bad but it may be changing to the better.

The swedish public sector is dysfunctional in general and thus having people close to you that you can rely on is important, the dysfunction does also have significant upsides, you are less likely to get convicted after breaking the law (copyright, Age of Consent, hate-speech, etc).
 

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Moving within the united states
The worst laws tend to be implemented by states and not the federal government.

I will now go over the states with no laws for forced drugging and, this is useful for avoiding brain-damage and other horrible iatrogenic effects. It's expensive to operate mental hospitals and thus you are generally safer if they actually have to take you in to chemically and physically torture you.

massachusetts
Age of consent = 16 (bad)
imprisonment rate = 150
Homocide rate = 200
violent crime rate = 3381

Connecticut
Age of Concent = 16 (bad)
imprisonment rate = 338
Homocide rate = 230
Violent crime rate = 2074

Nevada
Age of Consent = 16 (bad)
improsonment rate = 584
Homocide rate = 620
violent crime rate = 5411

Alaska
Age of consent = 16 (bad)
improsonment rate = 343
murder rate = 770
violent crime rate = 8850

Maryland
Age of Consent = 16 (bad)
improsonment rate = 407
murder rate = 860
violent crime rate = 4687

Tenessee
age of consent = 18
murder rate = 740
 

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How to flee
If you are hit by a community treatment order or are stuck in some other bad situation you might have to resort to simply fleeing because fighting isn't realistic. In Sweden some courts for forced treatment trails side with psychiatrists 100% of the time meaning you have no real chance of winning in court against these quacks.

If you are going to essentially leave everything behind including your cellphone, just removing the SIM card isn't enough to remain safe

https://medium.com/@thelukaswils/3-ways-the-government-tracks-our-phones-5353f5a01acd

Do not talk about this to anyone who can find out your real identity prior to fleeing and do not contact anyone about what happened to you.

Just getting away can be tricky and the price for failure is high. Once you have modified your appearance it will be easier, next step is getting a fake identity.

Of course it will be far easier if you have someone from the outside helping you out but finding someone willing to do that will be difficult.
 

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Surviving once you have fled
A tent can be used for shelter.

There are several ways to get food including
  • Finding edible food that was thrown away
  • Soup kitchens
  • Using money you saved from earlier
  • Using money you made somehow
  • Begging for food directly (this is risky, you want to avoid attention).
If you are female you will probably be able to rely on males for resources and things will be easier for you, if you however are male then you will probably be on your own.

Cash and other valuables can be stored in the ground (under dirt).

You can store valuables in your rectum via a condom.
 

Creamer

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#12
Aoc dont mean much when you are an incel.
So to expat what do you need to do?
What are the procedure to get citicenship
Transfer your money
Buy a house
Get a job or secure income
Social security
Studying a new language can take years

But the us is collapsing
 

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#13
Remain in Europe. I can go visit Ticino, they speak my same language and they know my kind because a lot of sexual tourist buy their services.

It’s useless to be a sexpat if you live in Europe.
 

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How bad are taxes in Sweden?
The income tax in sweden is still very high, especially if you have a high income (over 100000$/year).
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Black = left after taxes yellor = VAT blue = income tax orange = tax paid by your employer

To prevent people from going around this by having their own company they added special rules for companies controlled by 4 parties or less (if you are related it's counted as one). This means that the amount of money you can take out from an "aktiebolag" (limited liability & shares) is limited to 50% of what was paid in salaries if you want to take out more than 171000 sek.

In exchange however the tax on dividends is lowered to 20%, you do however also pay a tax when you make profits so the total is 37.12% until 2020 where it will be lowered to a total of 36.8%

If your company is successful to the degree where it's beneficial for you to have employers that means that you will only pay a total of 36.8% in tax for your profits, for some reason you are also obligated to be paid a salary but that can be kept below the cutoff (509 300 sek).

If you are the only employee however the max income you can earl (after tax prior vat) without being his by insane tax-rate is just 50484 sek/month. You still end up having to pay 41.3 % in tax earning you 68904$ a year after tax.

Of course then when you finally spend your hard earned money you pay tax again (25% VAT) so only 80% of what you paid actually go to the product, the rest go to the government.

Of course when you have a business you also have abilities to deduct things you pay for that are not only used for the company, they are not really willing (or even able) to crank down effectively on that. You can buy a 4000$ computer for the company and then use it mostly to play videogames when you have spare-time (assuming you have any time for that).

Of course you need to make sure you get everything right or you will be hit by a surprise bill from "skatteverket" for the tax you have to also pay and then you also need to pay a penalty of an added 40% which will be very expensive. This has happened to people who tried to do everything right but then the court ruled against them (tax-laws for companies are very complicated).

It's of course possible to move profits from your company to a company you have registered in some other country (like Estonia) and thus pay far less income tax in Sweden, your Swedish company can buy something from your Estonian company for a very high or sell to the Estonian company for very cheap, that way your Swedish company becomes unprofitable (or at least far less profitable) on paper and thus you need to pay far less in taxes.
 

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Taxes in estonia
The income tax is just a flat 20%

Employment income for residents is also subject to unemployment insurance premiums at rate of 1.6 percent and mandatory funded pension contributions 2 percent. Your employee also to play an additional 33.8% on top of your salary.

If you have your own company you only need to pay taxes on profits when you withdraw money as dividents/salary and, you then have to pay tax twice (20% each time). Unlike Sweden there isn't any complicated rules limiting how much money you can withdraw while avoiding an insane tax-hit.

When you buy a product 20% VAT is added.
 

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#16
Is Estonia the best country in the world?
It's not just that taxes are low, it's also that the government is reliable and laws are among the best.


There is however one significant issue, the birthrate is only 1.6 children/female, this is not sustainable.

There is tension between ethnic Russians and estonians


Their school system is the best in europe if we are going to go on the pisa report

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EKRE
Estonies have had bad experiece with having a lot of russians living in their country not even trying to integrate. EKRE wants to severely restrict immigration from outside europe and instead try to increase the fertility rate.


It was claimed that they were science clange deniers/sceptics but that seems to be nonsense

https://news.err.ee/1021862/rural-affairs-minister-climate-change-increasingly-affecting-agriculture

Their program for supporting estonian families is a bit strange, they may have copied a bit from the third riech. The also have anti-gay policies for no good reason:

FOR ESTONIAN FAMILIES!
We help young families get home. Children are our future, we find an opportunity to provide housing for families with children, we strengthen traditional marriage and family values.

We pay 25% of the home loan of a married young family or the costs of building a home with the birth of each child, taking into account the average home loan amount.

We define marriage in the Constitution as a union between a man and a woman.

We stand up for traditional family values, repeal the Cohabitation Act and do not allow same-sex couples to adopt children.

The kindergarten must remain voluntary for the child.

We reduce the child support income by a quarter for each child until he or she reaches the age of 18.

We value raising children, taking into account the length of service of raising children from the second child onwards.
 

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#19
On the topic of America, what is your thoughts of the freedom culture in America?
It's a mass-delusion, they tell themselves "we are the land of the free" but other than gun-rights they are really not that great in terms of giving people freedoms. Unitid states has the higher number of prisoners in the world (both per capita and in absolute numbers).



Land of the fee

Home of the slave

They are not that great for business either even after 4 years of Trump, Estonia is still more business friendly and you can legally have sex with 14-year-old girls there too.

https://vintologi.com/threads/countries-to-flee-to.318/

One thing unites states does well is having a strong military, they pay their soldiers good wages allowing them to attract good competent people, a lot of european countries instead rely on the conscription insanity.
 

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Oh, I see, how is it where you live?
There are many issues with the Swedish society.

We face political limbo with parties trying to push in different directions, none of them of course offer any real solutions. There is a general issue in Sweden of just fussing societal issues under the rug pretending everything is fine, this was the case with immigration until it got so bad (and Sweden democrats got too many votes) that they finally started acting.

Sweden also handles covid-19 badly with Anders Tegness pursuing a herd immunity strategy (and lying about it), they also lied about masks not helping in an attempt to make sure the healthcare professionals got enough (they still didn't) becuase they were not smart enough to stockpile, they are still denying the efficacy of masks because they are unwilling to admit they lied.
 
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There are many issues with the Swedish society.

We face political limbo with parties trying to push in different directions, none of them of course offer any real solutions. There is a general issue in Sweden of just fussing societal issues under the rug pretending everything is fine, this was the case with immigration until it got so bad (and Sweden democrats got too many votes) that they finally started acting.

Sweden also handles covid-19 badly with Anders Tegness pursuing a herd immunity strategy (and lying about it), they also lied about masks not helping in an attempt to make sure the healthcare professionals got enough (they still didn't) becuase they were not smart enough to stockpile, they are still denying the efficacy of masks because they are unwilling to admit they lied.
Interesting read, do you happen to live in the cities that had a lot of immigrants such as Malmö, Helsingborg, Gothenbourg, Lund, Växsjö or others? I hear in my country of Kazakhstan that they got a lot.
 

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Interesting read, do you happen to live in the cities that had a lot of immigrants such as Malmö, Helsingborg, Gothenbourg, Lund, Växsjö or others? I hear in my country of Kazakhstan that they got a lot.
I do live in a part of a smaller town that have some, it's not really impacting my life in any way.

The reason immigrants in Sweden got disliked was becuase they ended up being mostly a burden living on welfare instead of working, this (unsurprisingly) pissed a lot of people off. It's not about "race" (whatever that is).

https://vintologi.com/threads/immigration.776/#post-4024
 

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#23
Leftwinger praises Estonia
I find this a bit interesting, it's not really a country that have implemented the policies he is promoting.


Leftwingers may not like to admit it but trying to squeeze more and more money out of the most successful isn't going to work out too well, you need to let people be very successful to cultivate a good culture and attract valuable people to your society.
 

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#25
I don't understand why I would want to leave.
I have a spacious house with my wife, and am going to retire soon.
Then your best option is probably to stay in your current country.

I'm also not sure why the age of consent matters? My wife is 61!
It matters the most to young and attractive people.

In general starting a new life in a new country is mostly for young people i guess, some older folks do ritere in another country but i have not really researched which countries that are suitable for that.
 
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