Debunking libertarianism

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With governance often being bad it's natural that people often want to give up on it altogether but is that even an option in the first place?

An extreme form of libertarianism is "anarcho-capitalism" where the goal is to litterally privatize everything with the promise that it would somehow work, people are naturally skeptical about that and they should be.

Instead of giving up on governance altogether shouldn't we at least try to find a way to govern society that actually allows us to advance humanity forward to the point where we can start colonizing other planets?

https://vintologi.com/threads/elite-rule.24/

 

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Consequences of successfully limiting government power
When the government becomes too weak to maintain control over an area other actors will be able to grow at the former government's expense.

Freedom allows people to live more according to their own preferences, this however will not last.

By promoting libertarian values you will be able to weaken the ability of a government to exercise social control and this will make it easier for you to yourself gain control, you do however run the risk of the current rulers losing power to people even more problematic instead of you gaining control.

 

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The vintologi power law
The amount of social control in a society has an equilibrium point. If you restrict the power of the government you end up with lower-level totalitarian control instead 70 71 72

By weakening the central government you may end up with organized crime, parents having totalitarian control over their kids, sects, psychiatry, lower government authorities, etc.

Ordinary "checks and balances" only change who has the power, by making the supreme court more powerful you make other branches of the government less powerful. By making it easier to impeach the president you simply empower congress at the expense of the president.

If we allow citizens to instantly remove the rulers from power via a vote we just end up with more mob rule, technical implementations for this are to allow the citizens to call snap elections or by allowing citizens to change their vote at any time and not having periodic elections.

Technological advancements allows very destructive weapons to be made and this makes it unfeasible for single individuals to just rely on self-defense. People will try to acquire powerful weapons to control others and if you do not control others then others will use said freedoms to gain power over you instead.

Growing the power of one government goes and in hand with taking power away from other actors.

If we go too far when it comes to controlling people (such as sending 50% of the population to jail) it will hurt the economy and make the government less popular. Weaker economy and less technological advancement means it will become more difficult for the government to effectively control people.

As technology keeps progressing the equilibrium point for the amount of social control is likely to move towards more social control and the governance will also need to be more centralized. This also applies to the economy, the more advanced technology the government has of its disposal the easier it will be for it to effectively control the economy.

If the government control in one area is weak the government will have to compensate by more control elsewhere. The government may for example take more direct control over media/education which when implemented well will drastically reduce the need to constantly police people.

If people very early in life learn norms learn morality and social norms that are against criminality. there will be less of a need to actually punish people since most people will willingly behave decently anyway. Sweden got away with having very lax law against crimes for decades 73 in large part thanks to the culture there discouraging people from resulting to criminality 74

Military dictatorships need to use more direct violence since they have not yet succeeded in implemented more sophisticated methods of control. Even if the new dictators are sophisticated it will still take time for more sophisticated methods of control to yield results. They might have to send a lot of people to re-education camps for their own good.

 

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The authoritarian option
While democratic governance tend to be mediocre the potential offered by authoritarianism is far greater than what people want to realize.

The main problem with undemocratic systems is that often the people who gain power are not particularly suited for it and then they will drag down their entire country with them, this will happen many times but there are also good news here. There are good reasons to believe that incompetent authoritarian governments will be weeded out over time (such as by losing wars) and then hopefully if there is a lot of competition between states there will eventually be a competent authoritarian winner.

 

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Societal survival of the fittest
Many forms of governance are currently not viable long-term when there is competition between states.

The competition between states will push governments to implement policies that are very far from libertarianism such as forcing males to become cannon-fodder in wars or forcefully impregnating females to make more babies.

https://vintologi.com/threads/societal-survival-of-the-fittest.979/

Furthermore libertarian societies (to the extent they can even exist in the first place) will be suceptible to propaganda attacks such as having an hostile state gain control over media to push propaganda while the libertarian state isn't able to do the same back to authoritarian states.

That means that some libertarian policies that would work if you have a centralized world government would unfortunately not be sustainable prior to having a central established world government with a stable grip on power.

 

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Having power over other people can be very fun
You can enjoy yourself a lot having absolute power over someone else.

But this can also be very exciting for the people being dominated, especially sexually.

Deep down you desire authoritarianism but you may have been conditioned by liberal/libertarian propaganda to deny that for yourself.

 

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all the dollarization of Argentine does, is enslave it to US inflation.

It was always a dumb idea.

for libertarianism to work the AoC must be abolished.

It probably cannot work in the first place.

But at least libertarians in favor of lower AoC have some consistency, most are instead political cockolds afraind to in any meaningful way oppose feminism.

why? because money is printed when newborns are registered with a birth certificate.

Nonsense

when you instantiate an AoC you create an Inceled society where the government eventually determines who gets to breed, which leads to a federal reserve and an eventual collapse or communist rule followed by starvation.

This cycle has repeated throughout history. maybe someday people will wake up and stop the feminists before a repeat, but most people are too stupid.

Feminism is a form of societal cancer, it's almost impossible to root out once it has infested society. It will instead simply kill the host in most cases with low birthrates being a prime symptom (especially among the females more suited for breeding).

Weather you find a better system or not, no one would listen to you, because your voice has no reach and people are stupid.

Finding a better system wasn't hard and you can actually implement it partially even without having government power.

I gave the transmaxxing politburo absolute power over the transmaxxing discord and so far they have not fucked up the server. The server did get severely vandalized by moderator going rouge though but that's what happens when you trust a feminism, should have demoted her long before that.

 

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Eugenics and population control
People deciding to reproduce (or not reproduce) can affect people for many generations.

We can see clearly that giving females the freedom to choose how many children to have doesn't work. You end up with sub replacement fertility.

Furthermore people with actual shitty genetics often don't recognize their own genetics as bad and will try to reproduce regardless, often more than than people with better genetics.

 

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Nonsense?
enough money must be printed to satisfy circulation of the currency. it is created when people are registered into the system. Birth Certificate are the money, they have been since the gold standard was dropped.

No that's not how central banks operate. The money printing is justified by trying to reach 2% yearly annual increase of prices.

makes sense when you consider people's labor creates wealth.

You digging a hole and filling it up again doesn't create wealth.

they don't actually get the money tho, the government does.

The government consist of people. It's not merely some abstract entity.

 

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From libertarianism to police state
When you pursue an economic policy that results in significant poverty/inequality there will naturally be a significant amount of social unrest.

The lack of interaction with the state and wider society will result in increased fragmentation and the only way to keep society together will be to rely on direct violence due to other measures of social control not having been implemented.