About bodily autonomy
Many people believe in "my body my choice" or at least claim that this is what they believe.
There has recently been significant protest against vaccine mandates (especially in Canada were roads where blocked). My view is that most governments cannot be trusted with medical decisions, we have to regognize that bodies like the CDC are political entities that have to please the politicians that appoint them, these politicians in turn has to please their voters, their donors and special interest groups.
Fundamentally in a real democracy it comes down to trusting the voters and here is one obvious issue. How can we expect the voters to make good decisions collectively when it comes to medical decisions if they cannot even figure out themselves which treatments they actually benefit from?
Take the pfizer-vaccine for example. FDA did give it a full approval giving many people the confidence to take it (since they had faith in FDA), FDA claimed that the vaccine did more good than harm even to young people.
Now let's take a look at the
pfizer study
In this study they did include covid-19 complications as adverse events which might explain why there are 2 more life-threatening adverse events in the placebo group. Still overall arguably the placebo group did better in terms of their health for the duration of the study. Adverse event means anything bad that happened (such as car accident) which may or may not be caused by the vaccine or not getting the vaccine (and crashing your car due to being sick with covid).
Later we got updated data over deaths
Placebo: 17 dead
vaccine: 21 dead
https://vintologi.com/threads/vaccines.883/page-2#post-5647
I was personally surprised by these numbers, i find it hard to believe that we didn't see fewer deaths in the vaccine group¹. Given these figures the pfizer vaccine obviously should not have been given full approval, nor should any vaccine mandates have been implemented or anything of that sort.
My personal guess is that the issue is the spike-protein (not the mRNA-technology itself) which does explain why the
novavax vaccine couldn't beat placebo either.
Interestingly the Chinese government never approved any mRNA vaccine, likely a combination of them not having to worry about what their voters would think and them being competent enough to properly make these medical decisions⁴. The Chinese government instead opted for the well-tested approach of using de-activated viruses (such as sinovac, sinopharm, covaxin).
The
Covaxin vaccine did beat placebo in a randomized controlled trial, the issue is that it's not available in most countries for whatever reasons. By beating placebo i mean less adverse events (at least less serious ones).
The chinese sinopharm vaccine also managed to beat placebo but with a smaller margin
https://vintologi.com/threads/vaccines.883/page-2#post-5988
What about medical totalitarianism under elite rule?
Even if your country is govern by a true elite it would not actually be possible to make all the individual decisions needed for this in a proper manner, they would not be able to properly oversee all these decisions made by lower authorities.
A true elite could still help the population by banning harmful treatments such as genital mutilation but people would still need to take responsibility for their own health and for their own bodies.
Elite rule³ also does not guarantee competent governance, there is no reliable way to put competent people in charge as a ruling elite and when you have elite rule it's very difficult for people to remove the government if they do not like it. You simply have to hope for the best when some elite or dictator inevitably grabs power and abolishing democracy.
Protecting children
Most parents naturally care a lot for their children and wants to do what's best for them. The issue is that very often parents are misguided and do things to their children that is very bad for them.
https://vintologi.com/threads/why-puberty-blockers-is-a-bad-idea.975/
Children need a guardian that will look out for their interest, this of course requires a good government (likely only possible with elite rule) and if there is disagreement with regard to medical treatment it can be resolved in court.
For some reason doctors/parents seem to have a thing for mutilating genitals, possibly due to christian insanity (they view sexual pleasure as sinful).
There is also situations where people are not able to make medical decisions for themselves (such as when they are not even conscious) and in these cases other people will have to make these decisions for them, this is something you might want to look into to reduce the risk of guardianship abuse.
The case against medical libertarianism
The issue with having a totally unregulated system is that a lot of practitioners would manipulate people into having harmful treatments themselves or subjecting their children to this, this is still happening even with governments trying to prevent that.
There is some people who think that we should just let people die (such as via assisted suicide²) if they no longer want to live but we really have to get away from that toxic individualism. I want a society were we do take care of each other, if someone is suicidal we should have someone observe him/her and make sure he/she doesn't harm himself or someone else. If you see someone about to take suicide you would naturally stop that if you could because you are a human who naturally cares about other people.
The government being able to prevent people from doing as they please with their bodies is not in any way equivalent to forced medical treatments. The power to force someone to undergo a medical treatment is much more dangerous than the power to block someone from having a medical treatment, treating these powers equally is a great mistake.
We do not need medical libertarianism to justify MtF HRT
https://vintologi.com/threads/science-regarding-transexualism.566/#post-4553
And yes this treatment should also be available to people under 18 after fertility preservation.
The risk when it comes to young people and medical decisions is mostly impulsivity. HRT does however need extensive usage to leave significant permanent effects and this will not be the case of some teen boy uses HRT for a week out of some impulse. Therefore gatekeeping is not a requirement for minors.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain-2007-06/
The main reason for promoting medical libertarianism now is that most governments are simply not competent enough to make these decisions.
Notes
1: Observational-trials did actually find higher all-cause mortality among unvaccinated but these studies did not properly control for confounding factors.
https://vintologi.com/threads/vaccines.883/page-2#post-5964
You might be able to figure out who benefit from the pfizer-vaccine in terms of deaths via multivariate-regression but it's arguably too late for that now.
The recent mortality for the omicron variant seems to be
around 0.1% and this is counting everyone who died with the virus (even when the virus wasn't the actual cause of the death). The main risk remaining is long-covid (unclear to what degree that's an issue with omicron).
2: active euthanasia is already legal in multiple areas.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/102978/countries-where-euthanasia-is-legal
3: there are many forms of elite rule
The best system in theory is what i call
pure elite rule where a group of at most 999 people have all the formal power and the entire world under their firm control.
https://vintologi.com/threads/the-ideal-society.982/
Having multiple countries/actors competing for power can be extremely destructive and it's not guaranteed that the best will win in that competition. You actually want the ruling elite to keep themselves in power if they do a sufficiently good job governing your country.
4: the Chinese government has consistently made better decisions than western democracies when it comes to their covid response. People try to deny this because they cannot accept the mathematical reality elite rule has higher potential for good governance than democracy.
https://vintologi.com/threads/elite-rule.24/
