Does god exist?
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If consciousness isn't linked to true indeterminism it would open up for you reincarnating into the past or even living the same life again. This falls apart given infinite time since you would just move back and forth in time (such as 10↑↑↑↑10 years) and se your body suddenly change to something else.
All experiments done so far supports the notion of quantum indeterminism being real, the overwhelming majority of physicists reject the notion of superdeterminism and this is for good reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem
All experiments done so far supports the notion of quantum indeterminism being real, the overwhelming majority of physicists reject the notion of superdeterminism and this is for good reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell's_theorem
Whether or not god exist will depend on your definition of god, the following 4 types have not yet been ruled out
0. god in control over quantum inteterminism.
1. god at the big bang.
2. god that exist iside black holes or inside black holes.
3. AI god (superintelligence).
4. genetically engineered god.
A god of type0 would be very constrained by special relativity, you are not allowed to cokmunicate faster than 299792458m/s, thus even if a single consciousness where in control over most quantum indeterminism it wouldn't allow for anywhere close to effective control.
Gods of type 1 and 2 are cannot currently be rules out since our well-tested theories of physics break down at this point and there is no generally accepted theory of quantum gravity.
A god of type1 would no longer have any power once big bang has happened.
A god of type2 would be imprisoned by the black hole and thus made practically powerless by general relativity.
0. god in control over quantum inteterminism.
1. god at the big bang.
2. god that exist iside black holes or inside black holes.
3. AI god (superintelligence).
4. genetically engineered god.
A god of type0 would be very constrained by special relativity, you are not allowed to cokmunicate faster than 299792458m/s, thus even if a single consciousness where in control over most quantum indeterminism it wouldn't allow for anywhere close to effective control.
Gods of type 1 and 2 are cannot currently be rules out since our well-tested theories of physics break down at this point and there is no generally accepted theory of quantum gravity.
A god of type1 would no longer have any power once big bang has happened.
A god of type2 would be imprisoned by the black hole and thus made practically powerless by general relativity.
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The notion that you cannot have an infinite chain of regression is false.
Actualization happen with the collapse of the wavefunction and this never require any god, thus our reality is being actualized with the passage of time according to the true (not yet known) laws of physics.
The wavefunctions can collapse in 2 ways
1. by itself
2. by interaction by other quantum systems.
The quantum wavefunction can be interpreted as a potential that is being actualized when it collapses, this allows for free will and explain the passage of time.
Thus no matter how far back you go in time there is never any need for a god.
Actualization happen with the collapse of the wavefunction and this never require any god, thus our reality is being actualized with the passage of time according to the true (not yet known) laws of physics.
The wavefunctions can collapse in 2 ways
1. by itself
2. by interaction by other quantum systems.
The quantum wavefunction can be interpreted as a potential that is being actualized when it collapses, this allows for free will and explain the passage of time.
Thus no matter how far back you go in time there is never any need for a god.
Bohmian mechanics may not save you from boltzmann brains and that is not the only reason to believe our universe is cyclic.
https://www.vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-3#post-74
Given a cyclic universe it follows that B theory of time must be false or there wouldn't be any reason for you not to suddently reincarnate grahams number of years in the future or in the past.
This issue is resolved by having consciousness tied to the collapse of the wavefunction and this is the present.
Sorry for late reply, it will take some time for me to reply to all this.
https://www.vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-3#post-74
Given a cyclic universe it follows that B theory of time must be false or there wouldn't be any reason for you not to suddently reincarnate grahams number of years in the future or in the past.
This issue is resolved by having consciousness tied to the collapse of the wavefunction and this is the present.
Sorry for late reply, it will take some time for me to reply to all this.
That's not correct, another solution is to interpret the quantum field(s) as always being a part of the real world, all you need to add is an indeterministic collapse of the wavefunction.
No external observer is needed to collapse the wavefunction according to the penrose interpretation.
No it isn't, infinity is used in maths all the time and it works.
Take 1+1/2+1/4+1/8... you coninue that an infinite amount of terms and you get to 2, it works just fine.
No external observer is needed to collapse the wavefunction according to the penrose interpretation.
No it isn't, infinity is used in maths all the time and it works.
Take 1+1/2+1/4+1/8... you coninue that an infinite amount of terms and you get to 2, it works just fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekenstein_bound
But infinity in time is still possible and otherwise you would run into issues
-explaining why there is more matter than antimatter
-explaining why you first had a conscious experience via a particular brain*
-explaining why there was a beginning.
*in vintologi this is explain why you having had a conscious experience in simikar brain previously and this infinite chain or regression has no beginning.
But infinity in time is still possible and otherwise you would run into issues
-explaining why there is more matter than antimatter
-explaining why you first had a conscious experience via a particular brain*
-explaining why there was a beginning.
*in vintologi this is explain why you having had a conscious experience in simikar brain previously and this infinite chain or regression has no beginning.
https://www.vintologi.com/threads/darwinian-vintologi.1/page-3#post-74
There is zero evidence for the ex-nihilo model and there are many issues with
1. it require a multiverse to explain the appearent fine-tuning of the laws of physics for life.
2. if the multiverse exists you would be infinite times more likely to exist in eternal universe.
3. why is there more matter than antimatter?
There is zero evidence for the ex-nihilo model and there are many issues with
1. it require a multiverse to explain the appearent fine-tuning of the laws of physics for life.
2. if the multiverse exists you would be infinite times more likely to exist in eternal universe.
3. why is there more matter than antimatter?
Now you are resorting to a supernatural god.
What created god?
That would require all universes in the multiverse to be finite in space and time, if not you would live in an infinite universe.
If time begun at the big bang the amount of matter should be equal to the amount of antimatter.
Sure you could try to invent some process to get more matter but in that case the proton should be unstabke but proton decay has never been observed.
What created god?
That would require all universes in the multiverse to be finite in space and time, if not you would live in an infinite universe.
If time begun at the big bang the amount of matter should be equal to the amount of antimatter.
Sure you could try to invent some process to get more matter but in that case the proton should be unstabke but proton decay has never been observed.
As you see you cannot escape infinite regression back in time and the "god solution" isn't a solution at all, you only create an even bigger problem.
Only getting finite universes (both in space and time) from a multiverse is rather difficult.
The space of our universe must be constantly expanding or you would eventually reach an edge, the only clean solution i have found is the big rip cyclic universe model (which is crazy but probably correct).
Only getting finite universes (both in space and time) from a multiverse is rather difficult.
The space of our universe must be constantly expanding or you would eventually reach an edge, the only clean solution i have found is the big rip cyclic universe model (which is crazy but probably correct).
You are just creating av even bigger problem now, from a problem that can be solved just by cyclic cosmology to something we cannit even begin trying to resolve.
If there are several universes with different laws of nature it follow naturally that some of the universes produced would be infinite.
So even if you could get a time-ending singularity in some universes in others saidsingularity would be impossible and thus infinire universes would be produced.
It is very likely that the current singularities would disappear once we find the correct model of quantum gravity.
Example: singularities are not possible in loop quantum gravity.
If there are several universes with different laws of nature it follow naturally that some of the universes produced would be infinite.
So even if you could get a time-ending singularity in some universes in others saidsingularity would be impossible and thus infinire universes would be produced.
It is very likely that the current singularities would disappear once we find the correct model of quantum gravity.
Example: singularities are not possible in loop quantum gravity.
It's also the case when the number if universes is large.
As far as we know the universe is massive however it could also be true that it is a trillion times bigger than we assumed and the universe itself has a magnitudal limit itself we don't know.
There are at least 10^272000 versions of string theory, they are all wrong of course.
Fair point it has issue but their are not that many version of string theory the main problem seems to be we can't measure these other dimensions yet however their are mathematical models for how it is theoretically possible for us to measure these other dimensions 1 way would be to use mathmathical equations to find hidden eyes to peer into this realm cause we have no measuring apparatus to measure realms outside this one from this point on it is merely axiomatic truths not general guesses but merely an average between the truths
No the problem isn't that the extra dimensions cannot be measured, the issue is that string theories have failed to make correct predictions or any predictions that actually can be tested. String theoriests have not been able to get the details of the standard model despite having 10^272000 versions to work with.
Let's now compare it to the non-commutative geometry approach
https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Connes-Lott-Chamseddine-Barrett+model
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/17/2/023021/meta
• makes predictions we can actually test.
• gived us the details of the standard model.
• explanation for dark matter.
Let's now compare it to the non-commutative geometry approach
https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Connes-Lott-Chamseddine-Barrett+model
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/17/2/023021/meta
• makes predictions we can actually test.
• gived us the details of the standard model.
• explanation for dark matter.
Your right their seems to be a issue deciding which 1 to go with however their is something called super string theory that does away with a lot of mysterious parts of it.
Understand this though the predictions it does make supposed to unite all of science in the form of the theory of everthing it's a bit hard to prove certain things when it's supposed to encompass all things however we cannot physically test this cause were talking about things at the plank length it's a small length however we have mathematical proofs of such concepts and you yourself stated the smallest subsets of ultimate reality cannot be fully known mathematics is just our pathetic concept at understanding the greater reality as a whole we can never know the true complexity of reality
Understand this though the predictions it does make supposed to unite all of science in the form of the theory of everthing it's a bit hard to prove certain things when it's supposed to encompass all things however we cannot physically test this cause were talking about things at the plank length it's a small length however we have mathematical proofs of such concepts and you yourself stated the smallest subsets of ultimate reality cannot be fully known mathematics is just our pathetic concept at understanding the greater reality as a whole we can never know the true complexity of reality
superstrigtheory require supersymmetry and this has never been observed.
String theorists also expected negative cosmological constant, we know know there is a positive cosmological constant.
Your religious views are retarded and your autistic shit wouldn't prove the particular god you believe in. Our reality is actualized with time and this is according to the laws of physics, no god is ever needed for that.
Yea sure, the religion you where brainwashed into believing are true and all others are false.
The appearent finetuning of our universe for life doesn't prove god since
1. This may not be the only universe
2. Other forms of life would be possible with other laws of nature.
Theist do this shit all the time, it's called "god of the gabs", you desparetily try to find some area of science where a supernatural good would be needed.
At no stage in the evolution of our universe there any need for a good, no matter how far you wind back the clock do you come to a situation where anything supernatural is needed.
String theorists also expected negative cosmological constant, we know know there is a positive cosmological constant.
Your religious views are retarded and your autistic shit wouldn't prove the particular god you believe in. Our reality is actualized with time and this is according to the laws of physics, no god is ever needed for that.
Yea sure, the religion you where brainwashed into believing are true and all others are false.
The appearent finetuning of our universe for life doesn't prove god since
1. This may not be the only universe
2. Other forms of life would be possible with other laws of nature.
Theist do this shit all the time, it's called "god of the gabs", you desparetily try to find some area of science where a supernatural good would be needed.
At no stage in the evolution of our universe there any need for a good, no matter how far you wind back the clock do you come to a situation where anything supernatural is needed.
A fully deterministic universe doesn't lead to god either so in any case there is no need for god.
But you are using very outdated notions of how our universe works to argue for god, if you are relying on outdated assumptions/notions the proof will not be reliable.
You need to use modern science in your proof, there is no good reason not to. It's easier for me to see where you went wrong if you use modern scientific notions i am familiar with.
If a metaphysical claim is contradicted by science you can just discard it as false, if your metaphysics is separate from science it's just wrong.
It is very likely that the true theory of everything isn't deterministic either, you are just engaging in wishful thinking at this point.
But you are using very outdated notions of how our universe works to argue for god, if you are relying on outdated assumptions/notions the proof will not be reliable.
You need to use modern science in your proof, there is no good reason not to. It's easier for me to see where you went wrong if you use modern scientific notions i am familiar with.
If a metaphysical claim is contradicted by science you can just discard it as false, if your metaphysics is separate from science it's just wrong.
It is very likely that the true theory of everything isn't deterministic either, you are just engaging in wishful thinking at this point.