Elite rule

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With pure elite the highest power is unified and held by 5 to 999 people who have 1 vote each.

A-citizens can also be called "senators" or "politburo members" but the technical system is the following regardless of name:

Each A-citizen has the option to vote "Yes", "No", or "Abstain".

A vote is implemented when the the outcome no longer depend on A-citizens who haven't voted yet.

A0: has the draw-deciding vote.
A1: has the draw-deciding vote if A0 voted Abstain.
A2: has the draw-deciding vote if A0 and A1 voted Abstain.
A3: has the draw-deciding vote if A0 and A1 and A2 voted Abstain.

And so on for all A-citizens except the ones of the lowest rank (A8 when you have 9 A-citizens) whos vote will never decide the outcome in the case of a draw.

If a proposal passes (more Y vote than the number of N votes plus the number of senators who havn't voted) it should be implemented without exception.

 

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Citizens Classes
Humans will be divided into the following classes

An: senator of rank n
Bn: first successor to senator n
BmN+n: successor m+1 to senator n
C0: approved by the senate the highest levels of service.
C1: approved to be judge or high official.
C2: citizens allowed to carry heavy weapons
C3: citizen allowed to carry light weapons.
C4: full citizenship.
C5: permanent residence.
C6: temporary residence (can be extended by paying fee).
D0: very high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C0/higher. Will instead be given C2 citizenship at 16
D1: high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C1/higher. Will instead be given C3 citizenship at 16.
D2: high-value individual reduced to property of C0 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D3: valuable individual reduced to property of C1 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D4: individual (such as a child) where C4 or higher have custody. Will instead be given C4 citizenship at 16.
D5: slave/child you are not allowed to injure (minor punishments allowed).
D6: slave not allowed to be killed or seriously injure (loss of limb, brain-damage, sterilized, etc).
D7: slave you are not allowed to kill or give serious brain-damage.
D8: slave with no rights.

Em: less/no rights, class m
Fq: military target of value {F0 value}*10^(q/10)

N = the number of senators
0 ⩽ n < N

 

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The ideal number of senators.
Several people sharing power can outperform any single individual since in the cases where one senator votes incorrectly he will be outvoted by the other senators.

But for the governance to be at its peak all people who vote must be motivated to do their best and they must consist of the most capable, this of course is near impossible to achieve. The more people that share the power the higher the cost will be in terms of having each senator look into the subject.

More senators sharing the highest power makes it more difficult to maintain quality among individuals who rule while too few makes the decision making unreliable (the rulers/ruler cannot be trusted blindly then).

Having more people vote also means lower probability of a single vote deciding the outcome and thus the people voting will be less motivated to actually do the research required to make good decisions.

For N senators we get the following probabilities for one vote deciding the outcome:

N         probability (50%)    probability (52%)    probability (55%)    probability (60%)    probability (65%)    probability (70%)    probability (75%)    probability (80%)    probability (85%)    probability (90%)    probability (95%)    probability (98%)
1         1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000    1.000000000000000
3         0.500000000000000    0.499200000000000    0.495000000000000    0.480000000000000    0.455000000000000    0.420000000000000    0.375000000000000    0.320000000000000    0.255000000000000    0.180000000000000    0.095000000000000    0.039200000000000
5         0.375000000000000    0.373800960000000    0.367537500000000    0.345600000000000    0.310537500000000    0.264600000000000    0.210937500000000    0.153600000000000    0.097537500000000    0.048600000000000    0.013537500000000    0.002304960000000
7         0.312500000000000    0.311002398720000    0.303218437500000    0.276480000000000    0.235490937500000    0.185220000000000    0.131835937500000    0.081920000000000    0.041453437500000    0.014580000000000    0.002143437500000    0.000150590720000
9         0.273437500000000    0.271691695521792    0.262662971484375    0.232243200000000    0.187509658984375    0.136136700000000    0.086517333984375    0.045875200000000    0.018498596484375    0.004592700000000    0.000356346484375    0.000010330523392
11        0.246093750000000    0.244131289928061    0.234032707592578    0.200658124800000    0.153570410708203    0.102919345200000    0.058399200439453    0.026424115200000    0.008490855786328    0.001488034800000    0.000060935248828    0.000000728921731
13        0.225585937500000    0.223428956542162    0.212384682140265    0.176579149824000    0.128103317599093    0.079247895804000    0.040149450302124    0.015502147584000    0.003969475080108    0.000491051484000    0.000010612889171    0.000000052385175
15        0.209472656250000    0.207137793768002    0.195242204224658    0.157407699271680    0.108247303371233    0.061813358727120    0.027961224317551    0.009212704849920    0.001879829984366    0.000164151496080    0.000001872416875    0.000000003813641
17        0.196380615234375    0.193880974966850    0.181209170796010    0.141666929344512    0.092348480688584    0.048678019997607    0.019660235848278    0.005527622909952    0.000898793711275    0.000055401129927    0.000000333524256    0.000000000280303
19        0.185470581054688    0.182816833995408    0.169430574694270    0.128444682605691    0.079368388680688    0.038617895864768    0.013926000392530    0.003341140958904    0.000432918970931    0.000018836384175    0.000000059849075    0.000000000020755
21        0.176197052001953    0.173398110707965    0.159349455499961    0.117141550536390    0.068613972014455    0.030817080900085    0.009922275279678    0.002031413703014    0.000209749241416    0.000006442043388    0.000000010802758    0.000000000001546
23        0.168188095092773    0.165251552197612    0.150585235447463    0.107344257218801    0.059600591145283    0.024709695776250    0.007103447075224    0.001241009098568    0.000102109744344    0.000002213720364    0.000000001959227    0.000000000000116
25        0.161180257797241    0.158112685142676    0.142867742130780    0.098756716641297    0.051976682194616    0.019891305099881    0.005105602585317    0.000761152247122    0.000049906137548    0.000000763733526    0.000000000356743    0.000000000000009
27        0.154981017112732    0.151788177736969    0.135999100682185    0.091160046130428    0.045479596920289    0.016066054119135    0.003681924941334    0.000468401382844    0.000024473202067    0.000000264369297    0.000000000065174
29        0.149445980787277    0.146132983914997    0.129830570044100    0.084388156989311    0.039908346297554    0.013013503836499    0.002662820716501    0.000289070567698    0.000012035571159    0.000000091773913    0.000000000011941
31        0.144464448094368    0.141035865436042    0.124247855532204    0.078312209686080    0.035106041959748    0.010566965115237    0.001930545019463    0.000178838324549    0.000005933536582    0.000000031937322    0.000000000002193
33        0.139949934091419    0.136409889049740    0.119161458946355    0.072830355008055    0.030948170115140    0.008598867862524    0.001402661615704    0.000110879761221    0.000002931537917    0.000000011138141    0.000000000000404
35        0.135833759559318    0.132185996955870    0.114500143052277    0.067860754313387    0.027334516134049    0.007010606386740    0.001021055146725    0.000068875898735    0.000001451111269    0.000000003891797    0.000000000000074
37        0.132060599571560    0.128308541045165    0.110206387687816    0.063336704025828    0.024183453857485    0.005725328549171    0.000744519377821    0.000042856114768    0.000000719509338    0.000000001362129    0.000000000000014
39        0.128585320635466    0.124732109290558    0.106233157394861    0.059203150710458    0.021427812931093    0.004682716087059    0.000543695071961    0.000026706126256    0.000000357293189    0.000000000477462    0.000000000000003
41        0.125370687619579    0.121419224467801    0.102541555175389    0.055414149064989    0.019011827023112    0.003835144475301    0.000397577021372    0.000016664622783    0.000000177664038    0.000000000167589
43        0.122385671247685    0.118338645287018    0.099099088680216    0.051930973980904    0.016888839672198    0.003144818469747    0.000291083176361    0.000010411421472    0.000000088451311    0.000000000058896
45        0.119604178719328    0.115464092012410    0.095878368298109    0.048720695589357    0.015019552190298    0.002581610071074    0.000213350737219    0.000006511870885    0.000000044084937    0.000000000020721
47        0.117004087877604    0.112773276650729    0.092856115384364    0.045755088031744    0.013370666569406    0.002121410014926    0.000156534508286    0.000004076997423    0.000000021994550    0.000000000007297
49        0.114566502713487    0.110247155253753    0.090012396850718    0.043009782749840    0.011913821024448    0.001744859737277    0.000114955029523    0.000002554918385    0.000000010983529    0.000000000002572
51        0.112275172659217    0.107869344609240    0.087330027424566    0.040463603611049    0.010624745589603    0.001436368535726    0.000084491946699    0.000001602444811    0.000000005489568    0.000000000000907
53        0.110116034723463    0.105625662241368    0.084794097782045    0.038098039092249    0.009482585438720    0.001183346693664    0.000062150326178    0.000001005842282    0.000000002745839    0.000000000000320
55        0.108076848895251    0.103503760048786    0.082391598344887    0.035896819055808    0.008469353624250    0.000975603607443    0.000045749545659    0.000000631817966    0.000000001374445    0.000000000000113
57        0.106146905164978    0.101492829853552    0.080111116604984    0.033845572252619    0.007569484801673    0.000804872976140    0.000033699442115    0.000000397142722    0.000000000688450    0.000000000000040
59        0.104316786110410    0.099583364751204    0.077942591552056    0.031931546787299    0.006769468563152    0.000664436518924    0.000024838812938    0.000000249789077    0.000000000345056    0.000000000000014
61        0.102578173008570    0.097766964178142    0.075877112875927    0.030143380167210    0.006057546119260    0.000548824564631    0.000018318624542    0.000000157200593    0.000000000173045    0.000000000000005
63        0.100923686347141    0.096036173534885    0.073906755589955    0.028470908751481    0.005423457823873    0.000453576946640    0.000013517372142    0.000000098985664    0.000000000086830    0.000000000000002
65        0.099346753747967    0.094384351350085    0.072024442908524    0.026905008770149    0.004858231828791    0.000375051437753    0.000009979622401    0.000000062360968    0.000000000043591
67        0.097841499903301    0.092805558563865    0.070223831835810    0.025437462837232    0.004354006252621    0.000310269825778    0.000007371312001    0.000000039306307    0.000000000021895
69        0.096402654316488    0.091294465704426    0.068499217142196    0.024060847201335    0.003903878841505    0.000256793908747    0.000005447182765    0.000000024786095    0.000000000011002
71        0.095025473540538    0.089846274637023    0.066845450328334    0.022768435980235    0.003501779320830    0.000212625356442    0.000004027024402    0.000000015636485    0.000000000005531
73        0.093705675296919    0.088456652255970    0.065257870883036    0.021554119394622    0.003142360582206    0.000176124670253    0.000002978320130    0.000000009868359    0.000000000002782
75        0.092439382387501    0.087121674023004    0.063732247685365    0.020412333610475    0.002820905587512    0.000145945469999    0.000002203554421    0.000000006230402    0.000000000001399
77        0.091223074724508    0.085837775668981    0.062264728824189    0.019338000262555    0.002533247451944    0.000120981113288    0.000001630920213    0.000000003934991    0.000000000000704
79        0.090053548125476    0.084601711699348    0.060851798439333    0.018326474094975    0.002275700627663    0.000100321261635    0.000001207508234    0.000000002486107    0.000000000000355
81        0.088927878773907    0.083410519598621    0.059490239449252    0.017373497442036    0.002045001476534    0.000083216486526    0.000000894310786    0.000000001571220    0.000000000000179
83        0.087843392447396    0.082261488831077    0.058177101237019    0.016475160501131    0.001838256815064    0.000069049387112    0.000000662553418    0.000000000993317    0.000000000000090
85        0.086797637775403    0.081152133895984    0.056909671531498    0.015627866532502    0.001652899252879    0.000057310991303    0.000000490999408    0.000000000628155    0.000000000000045
87        0.085788362917550    0.080080170824986    0.055685451853204    0.014828301268048    0.001486648339653    0.000047581450919    0.000000363967584    0.000000000397345    0.000000000000023
89        0.084813495157123    0.079043496613579    0.054502136001324    0.014073405930766    0.001337476693754    0.000039514232195    0.000000269873692    0.000000000251411    0.000000000000012
91        0.083871122988711    0.078040171163230    0.053357591145296    0.013360353363607    0.001203580415857    0.000032823155544    0.000000200156321    0.000000000159115    0.000000000000006
93        0.082959480347529    0.077068401379702    0.052249841155214    0.012686526846138    0.001083353198230    0.000027271760976    0.000000148485532    0.000000000100727    0.000000000000003
95        0.082076932684258    0.076126527129649    0.051177051863410    0.012049501242800    0.000975363629427    0.000022664574121    0.000000110179424    0.000000000063779  
97        0.081221964635463    0.075213008804093    0.050137517997435    0.011447026180660    0.000878335268375    0.000018839927238    0.000000081773791    0.000000000040394  
99        0.080393169077959    0.074326416275823    0.049129651564221    0.010877010999419    0.000791129123872    0.000015664053790    0.000000060704524    0.000000000025588  
101       0.079589237387179    0.073465419069684    0.048151971498093    0.010337511253848    0.000712728227696    0.000013026227131    0.000000045073109    0.000000000016213  
103       0.078808950746128    0.072628777591337    0.047203094412690    0.009826716580128    0.000642224033407    0.000010834755979    0.000000033473412    0.000000000010274  
105       0.078051172373569    0.071815335282314    0.046281726319827    0.009342939763876    0.000578804410108    0.000009013683532    0.000000024863664    0.000000000006512  
111       0.075902608201717    0.069503740570909    0.043670926164496    0.008038490757621    0.000424163483638    0.000005195381373    0.000000010200611    0.000000000001660  
117       0.073922236685144    0.067365927660824    0.041268281627037    0.006926384797828    0.000311297658181    0.000002998980836    0.000000004191103    0.000000000000424  
123       0.072089200394460    0.065380633006060    0.039049643992063    0.005976066531304    0.000228767928679    0.000001733431396    0.000000001724278    0.000000000000108  
129       0.070386092170015    0.063530091894915    0.036994682815211    0.005162330061871    0.000168320093000    0.000001003139108    0.000000000710244    0.000000000000028  
135       0.068798254366404    0.061799329843518    0.035086129093718    0.004464265678848    0.000123979735200    0.000000581151797    0.000000000292875    0.000000000000007  
141       0.067313244548633    0.060175622006522    0.033309195705787    0.003864442388263    0.000091410900417    0.000000337016023    0.000000000120890    0.000000000000002  
147       0.065920422845367    0.058648075444451    0.031651127842779    0.003348266335616    0.000067459267932    0.000000195617573    0.000000000049945      
153       0.064610629521958    0.057207302541488    0.030100850165898    0.002903472276257    0.000049825284701    0.000000113639604    0.000000000020652      
159       0.063375930351499    0.055845162951615    0.028648686895126    0.002519716952569    0.000036829374345    0.000000066067511    0.000000000008546
165       0.062209413555331    0.054554557693218    0.027286137562699    0.002188251407780    0.000027242708136    0.000000038437715    0.000000000003539
171       0.061105026407605    0.053329263371250    0.026005695728480    0.001901655064995    0.000020164863356    0.000000022377741    0.000000000001467
177       0.060057442661219    0.052163797595048    0.024414757699952    0.001578555442437    0.000013514625511    0.000000010888713    0.000000000000453      
189       0.058114381535511    0.049993485926128    0.022593936949837    0.001252505166671    0.000008206812259    0.000000004431355    0.000000000000105      
201       0.056348479009257    0.048010854058991    0.020625365698944    0.000950616836272    0.000004518782414    0.000000001509422    0.000000000000018      
213       0.054734353558003    0.046189648899576    0.018862125083739    0.000722787603514    0.000002492571237    0.000000000515068    0.000000000000003      
225       0.053251439265716    0.044508550624866    0.017277191428556    0.000550439321311    0.000001377105745    0.000000000176040         
237       0.051882871404640    0.042950036732033    0.015848091361625    0.000419787499871    0.000000761918112    0.000000000060253          
249       0.050614671834648    0.041499550753687    0.014555950013128    0.000320559994747    0.000000422093897    0.000000000020649          
285       0.049435143331534    0.040144883475111    0.013384775626599    0.000245073353087    0.000000234108294    0.000000000007085          
279       0.047810921222371    0.038270370509312    0.011825490426517    0.000164145319752    0.000000096890377    0.000000000001427          
297       0.046336945700727    0.036559825144515    0.010469747414158    0.000110171660144    0.000000040184028    0.000000000000288          
315       0.044991395320446    0.034990272061978    0.009286563099569    0.000074082059849    0.000000016696601    0.000000000000058          
333       0.043756642548977    0.033543084737057    0.008250614474152    0.000049896338314    0.000000006948885    0.000000000000012          
351       0.042618271269099    0.032202974534535    0.007340994250985    0.000033655931207    0.000000002896273    0.000000000000002          
369       0.041564361702829    0.030957253660780    0.006540288732656    0.000022731494766    0.000000001208752              
387       0.040584960783649    0.029795288295157    0.005833882637228    0.000015371388788    0.000000000505073              
405       0.039671683693259    0.028708086423009    0.005209426816573    0.000010405661801    0.000000000211272              
423       0.038817409824686    0.027687982779390    0.004656425006479    0.000007051097567    0.000000000088463              
441       0.038016047817012    0.026728394929525    0.004165908977823    0.000004782315608    0.000000000037074              
459       0.037262351851356    0.025823632218789    0.003730180309119    0.000003246254977    0.000000000015551              
477       0.036551776494818    0.024968744537280    0.003342603038819    0.000002205270931    0.000000000006528              
495       0.035880360883716    0.024159401431466    0.002997435648803    0.000001499171658    0.000000000002742              
519       0.035040119625245    0.023144607267292    0.002594663132091    0.000000897046461    0.000000000000864              
543       0.034256271973831    0.022196229249311    0.002248422040773    0.000000537333914    0.000000000000272              
567       0.033522779450788    0.021307573321037    0.001950294028025    0.000000322180291    0.000000000000086              
591       0.032834471677080    0.020472876776437    0.001693216293453    0.000000193349823    0.000000000000027              
615       0.032186892238019    0.019687145629631    0.001471240892553    0.000000116130846    0.000000000000009              
639       0.031576176729318    0.018946025610797    0.001279341890965    0.000000069804414    0.000000000000003              
665       0.030952270160115    0.018189071230526    0.001100467228006    0.000000040247775    0.000000000000001              
693       0.030320064163369    0.017422567071084    0.000936499277738    0.000000022262644                  
729       0.029561415948265    0.016504013242918    0.000761966829623    0.000000010410080                  
765       0.028857006027596    0.013776420147957    0.000373518471685    0.000000000734346                  
801       0.028200665094712    0.014862377441037    0.000506217541174    0.000000002284297                  
837       0.027587163578594    0.014125970256642    0.000413255261665    0.000000001071723                  
891       0.026737639616865    0.013111662323304    0.000305340674956    0.000000000345002                  
945       0.025962054061635    0.012192624351844    0.000226022097024    0.000000000111266                  
999       0.025250268446808    0.011356580834405    0.000167582283481    0.000000000035943                  
1053      0.024593989581703    0.010593367398054    0.000124434653569    0.000000000011628                  
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Probability (50%) = probability of a single vote deciding if the senators vote randomly with 50% probability for one decisions and 50% probability for the other decision.

Probability (55%) = probability of a single vote deciding if the senators vote randomly with 45% probability for one decisions and 55% probability for the other decision.

 

[Admin]

Diminishing returns from adding more senators
Adding more senators can make the governance more reliable, this benefit does however diminish as you add more senators, especially past 315.

For 15 senators we get

For 25 A-citizens we get

For 35 senators we get

For 63 A-citizens we get

For 99 senators we get

for 315 senators we get

for 999 senators we get

x = probability of the senator to make a particular decision.
y = probability of the senate making the same decision.

All senators will carry secure phone with them when they are not working, the secure phones will allow them to quickly make a decision in the case of an emergency such as nuclear war scenario. A senator will work at least 14 hours per day, each senator will have a personal staff (successors and B0 citizens) that helps him with research.

 

[Admin]

About checks and balances to power
The power of an entity can be limited by hard limit or by deterrence.

For a hard limit to work when it comes to government decisions the time it takes for other individuals to intervene cannot be too long, only a few minutes in the case or nuclear war.

deterrences can often be evaded, there are many ways to cheat i elections and in wars you may be able to limit the damage that can be delivered in return if you decide to push the nuclear button.

If someone does a crime it will often be too late once the police show up and many people are willing to break the law to achieve a political goal. Brenton Tarrant killed 51 muslims knowing he would go to jail for it, breivik killed 77 individuals and didn't even expect to survive.

Hard limits to the power of certain leaders only changes the power distribution, it doesn't limit the total power of the government. In order to limit the power of one entity (such as the president) you need to empower some other entity (such as the supreme court).

Let's say you make it harder for the government to convict (such as requirering 75% majority in the courts including the supreme court) in that case you can just illegally kill people and then have 3 of 9 supreme court justices block any accountability, the ones doing the killing doesn't even have to be the official government.

Entity A: makes the correct decision 70% of the time.

Entity B: makes the correct decision 60% of the time.

If entity B rules the country but are accountable to Entity A you want entity A to intervene as much as possible, of course it would be even better if Entity A directly rules the country. The opposite true holds true if Entity A governs, in that case it's better if entity B never intervenes.

Unfortunately the ones with the ultimate power will be time-limited and thus they will end up having to rely on other people making good decisions for them. Thus even if the highest court always make the correct decision we might still end up with a lot of bad results due to the highest court not having time to review all decisions made by lower courts.

Separations of power allows for more specialization but it also adds more points of failure, this will only be stable if all branches of government are accountable to the same entity with ultimate power, this specialization can also be achieved by relying on paries outside the official government.

 

[Admin]

Why separation of power is a bad idea
One obvious issue with trying to separate different branches of the government is that then it's not clear where the actual authority is, then you will need to have some body (such as supreme court) to determine where the authority of different bodies begin and end.

In addition having different independent bodies working together will create multiple points of failure. A good example why this is a bad idea is the tetrarchy system implemented by Diocletian, having 4 largely independent emperors was more efficient short-term for defending the empire but it dependen on the emperors not turning against it other, it later devolved into civil war.

While you can have specialization within the government it's very important that the highest power has a good knowledge about the society as a whole. You can have different senators specialize at different tasks but then it's important that people make sure the senators entrusted with specific tasks actually do a good job.

 

[Admin]

Consequences of successfully limiting the power of the (federal) government
When the government becomes too weak to maintain control over an area other actors will be able to grow at the former government's expense.

Freedom allows people to live more according to their own preferences, this however will not last.

By promoting libertarian values you will be able to weaken the ability of a government to exercise social control and this will make it easier for you to yourself gain control, you do however run the risk of the current rulers losing power to people even more problematic instead of you gaining control.

The amount of control in a society has an equilibrium point. If you restrict the power of the government you end up with lower-level totalitarian control instead 68 69 70

By weakening the central government you may end up with organized crime, parents having totalitarian control over their kids, sects, psychiatry, totalitarian state/local governments, etc.

 

[Admin]

The enforcement problem
The true elite will never actually have unlimited power since they will be limited by what actually can be done in the real world, they cannot break the fundamental laws of physics or mathematics.

They will also be forced to take implement sub-optimal policies to please the masses. They will depend on people with military following their orders, if they stop doing that the whole thing may collapse.

Thus with pure single board elite rule the theoretical power distribution will be very different from the actual power distribution.

 

[Admin]

The judicial system
Each senator can personally appoint one member of court to make it representative of the senate if the number of senators is 19 or less. Thus these lower boards will be similar in structure to the actual senate since all jury-members or board-members will be there to represent an individual senator.

A case will first be tried by 5 to 15 B-citizens that are selected by the senators, most trials will come to an end here, especially when the verdict is without dissent. The jury can request to question the defendant when alone and the defendant will not be allowed to just remain silent.

The defendant/prosecutor can ask jury member(s) to appeal the verdict, if they do the A-citizens or higher ranked B-citizens can decide to look into the case potentially resulting in a new trial (more likely if more than one jury member made an appeal). The senate may also decide to overrule the lower decision via a quick vote instead of or before holding a full senate trial.

 

[Admin]

Which areas should the ruling elite focus on
The ruling elite needs to focus their brainpower on the most important areas, less important aspects can be left to the private sector to resolve.

Education and media
We need to make sure the public get correct information about important topics and that harmful views to not spread, thus we do need the government controlling mainstream media. We also need to educate the young and make sure they are raised into believing our correct beliefs, we may want to ban or severely restrict homeschooling.

Legislation
Laws and constitutional rights themselves do not matter too much, you can have one official set of laws and another that is actually enforced in practice. Thus we can have a democratically elected parliament voting for laws and we can later look at them "judicial review" and discard the problematic ones or just judge as if no such law were approved by parliament.

The judicial power
It will look even worse if courts rule one way and it's ignored by the ones in control of the executive bransh (if separate). An executive branch directly controlled by the government may not actually be needed, in medieval iceland laws where enforced in a decentralized manner and no central control over an executive branch was needed.

Healthcare
No need for government involvement, millions of people dying due to privatizations may be a good thing long term. The government shouldn't waste money keeping useless sick people alive, especially when it comes to old sick people.

Research
We do need to focus more on researching genetic engineering of humans and similar areas. Find ways to conolize at least one other planet besides earth.

The military
We do need a strong military so we will be able to take over the world, when we win we will try the losers for war crimes while completely ignoring all the conventions we had to break to win the war in an efficient manner.

 

[rardcip]

Why do dictatorships have a bad track record?
Sure we have some older kings we may look up to but most dictatorships today are countries we do not actually want to live in, why is that?

First we need to realize that all current democracies function like elite rule between periodic election, you simply rely on the individuals you voting for having a new somewhat fair election (fair enough for you to vote them out).

Thus they issue is the selection mechanism, the most ruthless taking power and using the power they optained to opress everyone else, this is fun for the few that made it in the elite that get power but maybe not so fun for everyone else.

Whether or not you yourself is a member of the elite that gets to vote is actually less important, what matters are the actual decisions, it can end badly for you even if you start out as a member of the elite and you may benefit from it even if you start out powerless.

Many countries had very functional undemocratic systems of governance in the past, initially only 6% where allowed to vote in the US.

 

[Admin]

Why democracy isn't a good idea
There is no shortage of issues trying to make democrazy work
1. the people who got election can always rig the next election.
2. voting correctly is too expensive in terms of research.
3. arrows impossibility theorem
4. voters lack the mental abilities required to make good decisions.
5. it will depend on having a good media infrastructure feeding information to people.

One compromise solution for 3 is https://star.vote/

The issue with 5 is that it allows for other nations to manipulate elections, russia did that in the US to get Trump elected over Hillary Clinton.

All democracies are technically governed according to elite rule between elections (an elite having all the power) and there isn't any legal way for the population to replace the rulers before the next election, when it's finally time for the next election it may already be too late. Current democracies are maintained by an irrational religious faith in democracy among the one that got voted into office but that is not stable, it's easy for paranoia to spread where people are afraid that the other party they dont like are going to grab power and end democracy.

 

[Admin]

democracy does not give you "consent of the governed" you only need to win the election and this does not even require majority support.

If you dont like the government often there isn't much you can do since you are only one of maybe 10 million citizens, your individual vote is highly unlikely to change the outcome of the election.

What matters is that the rulers make good decisions governing the country.

No current country have voting right tied to paying tax so we do not know how it would work actually work but from what i know it worked just fine in the past. The reason why all these systems changed into democracies is because people (including the elite) wanted democracy but it's not clear that it was a good thing in terms of improving the governance of countries.

The switch to democracy was actually a disaster in sweden, our country got ruined by socialist policies and it also ruined our culture and we still have not recovered from that.

When you are giving the right to vote just by surviving to 18 it doesn't really feel like something of value, i didn't really earn it.

 

[Leucosticte]

democracy does not give you "consent of the governed" you only need to win the election and this does not even require majority support.

What about in Israel, where the ruling coalition needs the support of 50% + 1 of the voters?

 

[adolf512]

The leak risk
Let's say we will the A-citizens full access to all government information including classified information, in that case if just one of the A-citizens is a leaker all classified information will become compromised.

But cannot some A-citizens be kept in the dark? well they can but how are they then supposed to make good decisions when it comes to voting?

If all A-citizens are given the same information then if one of them quietly leaks it how are you going to figure out who the rat is?

This is another reason why we need to limit the number of A-citizens.

 

[towncel]

What about in Israel, where the ruling coalition needs the support of 50% + 1 of the voters?

No ruling coalition only need a majority of the seats in parliament and this does not technically require a majority of voters even in israel.

 

[Admin]

How we can end the US democracy
Actually this is already going on with republican purging voter rolls (over 20 million voters so far). The republicans also need to work on the voter machines to make sure they win the 2020 election by landslide.

Constitutional convention
This requires the approval of 38 of 50 (of the state delegates), there are no formal restrictions here but there are still limitations in the sense that you need to make sure this actually get implemented or else it's just some text on a paper.

But if you cannot get to 38 you still need 13 to prevent a convention against you.

Impeachment majority
You need at least 67 senators and 218 members of the house of reprasentatives, this will allow you to impeach any public offical including the president and thus you can gain full control of all 3 branches of government.

Court packing majority
You need majority in the house and senate in addition to the presidency. This will allow you to pass a law packing the supreme court with your lackies and you can also pack lower courts or just rule over them by making the supreme court far more active.

Anti impeachment majority
You need to have the presidency and 34 senators, the president will abuse his powers and the senators will refuse to impeach him despite the fact that he ignored the supreme court and also do not faithfully execute the laws This is the most dirty option but it may work.

 

[Admin]

People view dysfunctional governments are the norm
A consequence of democracy is that we have normalized a condition where we elect politicians to make very bad decisions and their fialure to actually advance humanity and solve global environmental issues such as anthropocentric global warming.

People were hoping Donald Trump would resolve things but as expected he turned out to be a rather weak and incompetent leader mostly focused on getting re-elected, he is a coward unwilling to pull the trigger when it's justified.

Imagine if we actually had a competent government

1. having a functional educational system
2. being able to fuck 13 year old girls breaking the law.
3. expanding our borders
4. colonizing other planets
5. high quality media funded by the government.
6. getting proper help when you have mental issues instead of quack psychiatrists.
7. taxes would be far lower (maybe 25% in total).
8. having a functional judicial system where you dont need to wait years for the final verdict.
9. birthrate above the replacement level.

 

[Admin]

About mob rule and vigilante 'justice'
In addition to having to worry about mob rule via the government you may also have issues with people taking the law in their own hands, this is why most people shouldn't be allowed to own weapons. When people commit political violence it tend to be for very irrational reasons since more intelligent individuals refrain from doing these things, we do not want the worst to gain political power due to them being willing to commit acts of terrorism.

If people are allowed to vote their are strategies that can be deployed to limit the damage done

1. restricting who is allowed to vote.
2. having an undemocratic media structure
3. long terms (such as 30 ears or life-long)
4. not allowing people to run for re-election.
5. allow rich people to buy politicians.

One strategy if to have elections but construct the system in a way such that the real power is in a body or bodies that are not democratically elected.

 

[Admin]

Over-reliance on capitalism
Instead of trying to get a more competent government in place libertarians just want to reduce the scope of the government or even eliminate it completely, there is however empirical evidence supporting the notion that a stateless or nearly stateless modern society would be functional,

The fact that the free market may be able to provide a solution does not mean the free market solution would be better, so far government issues money have proven to be superior to cryptocurrencies (less fees, better capabilities).

We currently have a very dysfunctional system for patents and copy right since we have tried to have capitalism provide what should be viewed as a public good "intellectual property" we pay for that every day in the form of intellectual stagnation.

 

[Admin]

The vintologi power law
The amount of totalitarianism in a society has an equilibrium point. If you restrict the power of the government you end up with lower level totalitarian control instead (organized crime, psychiatry, corporations, parents over their kids, sects, etc).

Ordinary "checks and balances" only changes who has the power, by making the supreme court more powerful you make other branches of the government less powerful. By making it easier to impeach the president you simply empower congress at the expense of the president.

If we allow citizens to instantly remove the rulers from power via a vote you just end up with more mob rule, technical solutions for this is to allow the citizens to call snap elections or by allowing citizens to change their vote at any time and not having periodic elections.

If we put into restrictions to halt the spread of disease people will end up having their lives controlled by pathogens instead including not being able to freely have sex with other humans due to the STD risk.

 

[Admin]

Limitation of central planning
If we go to far when it comes to controlling people it will hurt the economy and make the government less popular. Weaker economy and less technological advancement means it will become more difficult for the government to effectively control people.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0010414016688009

https://www.ifn.se/wfiles/wp/wp1276.pdf

A single governing body will not be able to properly rule over an entire economy, especially in the absence of market prizes.

The government can still control businesses but if a government owns too many companies it will not be able to properly manage them, thus a government might have to sell off some of the companies it owns due to not being willing/able to put into the effort required to properly govern them.

 

[Leucosticte]

Maybe what's different about capitalist democracy is that it tends to be the system used by whites. There are social democracies in Hispanic countries like Latin America where they keep electing leftists. In the recent caucuses in Nevada, Latinos helped give Bernie Sanders a bunch of delegates, so it seems that even though our system hasn't changed, the changing demographics are going to transform our country's leadership if this trend keeps up.

Bernie Sanders would probably wreck our economy if he could get his agenda through Congress. What makes capitalism work is that we decentralize production down to the level of competing firms and allow consumer choice, rather than having Bernie decide what health care the whole country should get. The choice of capitalism vs. communism is probably more important than the choice between democracy and dictatorship; e.g. Chile was probably better off under Pinochet's dictatorship than it would have been under Allende's democratic socialism.

Whites are able to have a capitalist democracy, while Latinos seem to need a dictator to impose capitalism or else they just end up electing Marxists.

 

[Admin]

The choice of capitalism vs. communism is probably more important than the choice between democracy and dictatorship; e.g. Chile was probably better off under Pinochet's dictatorship than it would have been under Allende's democratic socialism.

The thing with successful non democracies is that they tend to eventually democratize for some reason and then they might be able to just capitalize on the previous momentum.

People in general will not vote for change and thus the successful policies already in place will stay.

https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/inc.pdf

 

[Admin]

About the economic argument for democrazy
One argument for democracy is that it has overall resulted in more economic growth than other forms of governments.

The issue is that economic growth does not automatically translate to better quality of life or happiness, nor will it guarantee that the resources are spent on things that are overall good. Instead what tend to happen is that an incompetent that is empowered and we end up in a nightmarish situation where people are dis-empowered by an even expanding government.

As society advances technologically it becomes increasingly important to have a competent government, we cannot rely on minority rule or companies only focused on maximizing their profit to build a great society, it will not allow us to conolize other planet or to leave meaningful lives.

https://ourworldindata.org/happiness-and-life-satisfaction

 

[Admin]

The vintologi legislature law
The scope of legislation will increase exponentially to the point where laws no longer place any limit on who can be punished and for how long. Since direct rule is more efficient than "rule of law" a system formally starting out as indirect rule via laws will naturally change into the more efficient rule of law system.

Eventually not breaking the law will be impossible and the punishments that can legally be given to you will increase exponentially with time, thus the only limiting factor is that you will die eventually and thus they will have to resort to cruel and unusual punishment such as psychiatry to maximize the possible exercise of social control.

 

[Admin]

About corruption
Corruption is a natural consequence in you having limited power. If your salary as public official is low you will be more tempted to accept bribed and if your salary is high you will be incentivized to take action to make sure you are allowed to stay in power.

Having a strong central (unified) government makes it easy to fight corruption and fix issues with society, nobody will be able to bribe the leader(s) since they already control the entire government including finances and they will not have to face re-election either.

In reality however the power of the ruling elite will not be absolute, it may seem so on paper but reality dont function like that, they will still need to make sure they are able to remain in power and this will very likely involve totalitarian social control (unavoidable).

 

[Admin]

When democracy fail
When a technically democratic system fails people will point fingers and try to blame a small minority such as Jews or wealthy people in general. In any democracy the battle will be to win over masses and this will create a propaganda arms-race where a lot of actors have a lot to gain from spreading misinformation to the public.

Strong outside governments will be incentivized to meddle in elections and this may result in a bad candidate winning due to outside influense (russia, china, saudi arabia, etc).

In reality bad outcomes is to be expected when a democratic system is implemented, this can be predicted from theory, the nature of the bad outcome will however depend on circumstances.

Often the actual bad outcomes of democracies are not even viewed as bad by most citizens.

https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/inc.pdf

 

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Military elite rule
The goal here is to make the official power align better with the military power. This comes at the expense of making the governce more difficult and less efficient.

A0 to A14
These are the members of the executive council. They have 100 votes each.

A15 to A99
These are the members of the senate. They have 7 votes each.

A100 to A999
These are elite solders who have 1 vote each

In total there are 2995 votes meaning that the executive council cannot be overrules when unanimous.

Decisions are first managed by the executive council. If appealed by a member of the executive council it will go to the senate, if there still isn't enough votes for a majority (1498 if nobody has voted abstain) it will be handled by elite soldiers.

 

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About sortition
An attempt to fix the issue of people not being motivated to properly research things is to instead randomly select citizens that will then govern directly.

Technically this is simply a form of elite rule, it's not democracy. The people being selected may start out as typical citizens but with time they will learn more and thus become like an elite.

It's not clear that selecting new people to randomly to replace old experienced senators would even be overall beneficial. The advantages are
0. people would be less likely to rebel since they might themselves become a part of the elite one day
1. you would get new people with new perspectives instead of getting stuck on your old ways

The disadvantages however are
2. the new people would be less experienced.
3. lack of continuity.

The system can be made less egalitarian by raising the standards for becoming citizen that can be selected, this would allow the rulers to make sure people they like are able to take over instead of just giving everyone a chance. One similarity with reprasentative democracy via election is the fact that the selected/elected ones will be able rig the next election/sortition.

 

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democracy does not have a good track-record
In a democracy people will vote for short term comfort instead of doing what need to be done
• democratic country almost never expand their borders.
• the democratic countries in europe was obliterated by the might of nazi germany (dictatorship).
• the nazis were mostly defeated by the sovjet union (another dictatorship).
• due to democracy most countries have the Age of Consent at 15 or higher, biology is ignored.
• democracies fail to do what need to be done against christianity, islam and neonazism.
• democracies all around the world got raped by china "forced technology transfers".
• US failed to win the vietnam war.
• all western democracies have shit fertility rates.
• we will face catastrophic global warming soon due to not doing what need to be done.
• US had to rely on russian soyuz to get to ISS.
• US failed to act against the sovjet union in time allowing them to build a very powerful nuclear arsenal.
• Still almost no implementation of human genetic engineering.
• psychiatry, it's really bad.

 

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Still even with these failures democracies have still performed a lot better than what simple theory would predict and this can be explained by media playing a big role in shaping public opinion.

This may work for a while but it's not a stable system, for better or worse it will eventually come to an end.

 

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Democrazy is more like a constant civil war, where one side gets stuff from the other. The arms race-race is always there, you use misinformation and propaganda to get more stuff from the other group. The only times where those differences CAN be bridged is during war or a global pandemic. People will blame those who gamed the system, that they all played, to the highest degree and - just from a game theory point of view - it will be a group that persuades other groups to be open minded and egalitarian, while being nepotists to their own.

A simple bait and switch (what we call virtue signaling) is enough to get a long way.

 

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Senate board: max number of individuals (specialization)

A0 to A34: 35 (high court)
A35 to A53: 19 (executive council)
A54 to A68: 15 (science board)
A69 to A83: 15 (legislature)
A84 to A96: 13 (financial board)
A97 to A107: 11 (board of education).
A108 to A116: 9 (confidential research board).
A117 to A123: 7 (open research board).
A124 to A130: 7 (board of arts & aesthetics).
A131 to A137: 7 (board of recreation).
A138 to A248: 110 (lone researchers).

Succession system
Each senator will select successors (first, second,,,tenth), in the case they die or cannot vote for some other reason. If the successor already sits in the senate he will have to select a replacement once it's his time to take-over.

High court
Will review appeals made by members of lower courts and decide which of them to look into further for examination.

Executive council
The executive council will be responsible for international affairs, defence and the police. These people will lead our war effort in addition to governing the police force during peace-time.

Financial board
Will control government spending in addition to the central bank.

Legislature
This group is responsible for deciding on which laws that should exist officially, this will not actually be the laws that are implemented in practice. Will also manage non-binding elections.

Science board
General science board (mathematics, physics, genetic engineering, medicine, etc).

Board of education
The goal is to educate the public including via media.

Confidential research board
Conducts secret research and operations as a form of social control.

Board of arts & recreation
Focus on questions regarding aesthetics and recreational activities.

All these boards can still be overrules by the entire senate (all A-citizens) via simple majority (this is unlikely to happen often), if the votes end in a draw the decision will follow the decision made by the A0 citizens (otherwise A1 and so on).

 

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Why does elite rule often change into full democracy?
Many countries have had system where the right to vote was highly undemocratic such as giving people with higher income far more votes (sweden had that for a while) but almost without exception there systems has eventually evolved to giving everyone the right to vote.

It is worth noting that typically the system of only giving the right to vote to some people worked just fine historically and it can be argued letting everyone vote was a change for the worse.

Even the 'elite' wants democracy
Part of the reason is probably that a lot of people very much like the idea of allowing everyone to vote and thus once you start to grant the right to vote to enough people it will just keep expanding until pretty much everyone (18+) has been given that right. It can be the case that people of the upper class support democracy for emotional reasons rather than trying to figure out what the most effective way to govern a country is.

Hidden undemocratic structures
Democracies typically contain undemocratic structures such as centralized media resulting in it not actually being that democratic in practice, Thus people of the true elite might prefer democracy if it allows them to still rule essentially behind the shadows.