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Pure elite rule definition
The system is pure elite rule if the ruling elite is fully in charge. In addition each member of the ruling elite having the formal full power should have more than 0.1% but less than 3/13 of the voting power (or exactly 3 of 13 without having the deciding vote in the case of a draw).

It's still pure elite rule even if other people have significant informal power or power outside the government itself (such ownership over a private company). In the case of individual businesses they could still be overruled by the government for any reason if they operate within the borders.

Lower courts and advisors would likely get significant power but they are still there to please the ones who have the formal power.
 

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The Robinson Risk
The ruling elite could of course vote to get rid of some senators, that would require just ordinary majority in the senate.

But the senator(s) removed/replaced would naturally vote no (unless they really like the successor(s) chosen). And since the senate always has absolute power with ordinary majority you can do whatever you want without replacing them since they will just get outvoted. It might not actually be in your interest to get rid of them of you belong to the majority coalition since then they will no longer need your vote to pass various things and you might find yourself excluded instead.

Let's take the following system with 9 senators

Ruling faction: A0 A1 A2 A3 A4 A5
Opposition: A6 A7 A8


Here the ruling faction can have just one defection or the proposal will not go through the senate.

But what if they vote to remove A8 from the senate (not replacing him/her with anyone).

Now A0 would be able to case the potentially deciding vote (in the case of a draw) so you could end up with the following

Ruling faction: A0 A3 A4 A5
Opposition: A1 A2 A6 A7


It's probably not in the interest of A1 A2 A3 A6 A7 A8 to approve this change since then they will end up with a lot less power and these currently hold the majority.
 

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Types of elite rule
There are 5 types of pure elite rule

Tiny: 5 to 14 senators
small: 15 to 48 senators
medium: 49 to 189 senators
large: 190 to 999 senators
gradual: a single person can have multiple senate seats
 

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Pure elite rule example with 9 senators
Note that this is just one example of how the ideal system might look like for some scenario. The actual ideal system will depend on the situation in the area that needs to be governed.

Citizen classes consist of a letter (A to F) and a number. The latter tells the citizen category while the number tells how many higher citizenship that exist of said category.

A The ruling elite
B successors
C citizens and legal residents
D people under custody
E free people with limited/no rights.
F people targeted by the police/military (such as people in criminal gangs).

A0 senator 0
A1 senator 1
A2 senator 2
A3 senator 3
A4 senator 4
A5 senator 5
A6 senator 6
A7 senator 7
A8 senator 8


The 9 senators have the sole authority when it comes to governance. Each senator have 1 vote which senator 0 vote deciding in the case of a draw unless senator 0 voted abstain in which case senator 1 vote will be deciding and so on.

B0 successor 1 to senator 0
B1 successor 1 to senator 1
B2 successor 1 to senator 2
B3 successor 1 to senator 3
B4 successor 1 to senator 4
B5 successor 1 to senator 5
B6 successor 1 to senator 6
B7 successor 1 to senator 7
B8 successor 1 to senator 8

B9 successor 2 to senator 0
B10 successor 2 to senator 1
B11 successor 2 to senator 2
B12 successor 2 to senator 3
B13 successor 2 to senator 4
B14 successor 2 to senator 5
B15 successor 2 to senator 6
B16 successor 2 to senator 7
B17 successor 2 to senator 8

B18 successor 3 to senator 0
B19 successor 3 to senator 1
B20 successor 3 to senator 2
B21 successor 3 to senator 3
B22 successor 3 to senator 4
B23 successor 3 to senator 5
B24 successor 3 to senator 6
B25 successor 3 to senator 7
B26 successor 3 to senator 8

B27 successor 4 to senator 0
B28 successor 4 to senator 1
B29 successor 4 to senator 2
B30 successor 4 to senator 3
B31 successor 4 to senator 4
B32 successor 4 to senator 5
B33 successor 4 to senator 6
B34 successor 4 to senator 7
B35 successor 4 to senator 8

B36 successor 5 to senator 0
B37 successor 5 to senator 1
B38 successor 5 to senator 2
B39 successor 5 to senator 3
B40 successor 5 to senator 4
B41 successor 5 to senator 5
B42 successor 5 to senator 6
B43 successor 5 to senator 7
B44 successor 5 to senator 8

B45 successor 6 to senator 0
B46 successor 6 to senator 1
B47 successor 6 to senator 2
B48 successor 6 to senator 3
B49 successor 6 to senator 4
B50 successor 6 to senator 5
B51 successor 6 to senator 6
B52 successor 6 to senator 7
B53 successor 6 to senator 8

B54 successor 7 to senator 0
B55 successor 7 to senator 1
B56 successor 7 to senator 2
B57 successor 7 to senator 3
B58 successor 7 to senator 4
B59 successor 7 to senator 5
B60 successor 7 to senator 6
B61 successor 7 to senator 7
B62 successor 7 to senator 8

B63 successor 8 to senator 0
B64 successor 8 to senator 1
B65 successor 8 to senator 2
B66 successor 8 to senator 3
B67 successor 8 to senator 4
B68 successor 8 to senator 5
B69 successor 8 to senator 6
B70 successor 8 to senator 7
B71 successor 8 to senator 8

B72 successor 9 to senator 0
B73 successor 9 to senator 1
B75 successor 9 to senator 2
B75 successor 9 to senator 3
B76 successor 9 to senator 4
B77 successor 9 to senator 5
B78 successor 9 to senator 6
B79 successor 9 to senator 7
B80 successor 9 to senator 8

B81 successor 10 to senator 0
B82 successor 10 to senator 1
B83 successor 10 to senator 2
B84 successor 10 to senator 3
B85 successor 10 to senator 4
B86 successor 10 to senator 5
B87 successor 10 to senator 6
B88 successor 10 to senator 7
B89 successor 10 to senator 8

B90 successor 11 to senator 0
B91 successor 11 to senator 1
B92 successor 11 to senator 2
B93 successor 11 to senator 3
B94 successor 11 to senator 4
B95 successor 11 to senator 5
B96 successor 11 to senator 6
B97 successor 11 to senator 7
B98 successor 11 to senator 8

Holding multiple B-citizenships
It's possible for a single individual to be a successor to more than one senator but you can then still only take one senate seat with the other seat, thus there are theoretical scenarios where a B-citizen will have more than one empty senate seat to choice from, then the seats not taken will be offered to the second successors instead.

You can still vote to change the b-citizens if a senate seat is empty but then for the vote to pass you need to have it pass with a big enough margin such that it would have passed if all those empthy seats would have been populated with people voting no.

An A-citizen can also hold one or more B-citizenships but then in order to actually replace a senator they will need to abandon their current senator seat.

C0 citizens
Only C0 citizens are eligible for the highest levels of service such as being appointer as a successor/servant to a senator.

In total 999 people or less will have C0 or higher.

People with C0 or higher can be selected to vote on important matters but this will only be votes that are not urgent. In cases where a quick decision is needed only A-citizens will vote since only A citizens will be expected to sleep on different times to ensure that a majority will always be awake to be able to instantly make a decision.

Most/all people promoted to C0 will have had a C1 citizenship before that.

Can appeal decisions in courts that have less than 5 members with C0/higher.

C1 citizens
Up to 99999 people can have a C1 citizenship or higher.

There will be some referendums where people with C1 or higher will be allowed to participate.

Some positions of authority will require C1 or higher (such as to be an imperial judge).

Can appeal decisions in courts that have less than 5 members with C1/higher.

C2 citizens
Approved by court (5+ or C1/higher) for possessing heavy weapons.

There will be some referendums where people with C2 or higher will be allowed to participate.

C3 citizens
Approved for possessing light weapons.

There will be some referendums where people with C3 or higher will be allowed to participate.

C4 citizens
Given by default to people where both parents are C4 or higher. It's also much easier to acquire than C3 or higher, especially if one of the parents have C4 citizenship.

There will be some referendums where people with C4 or higher will be allowed to participate.

C5 residents
When there are multiple countries left this will be used to denote people merely being allowed within the country, later it will allow access inside cities and other areas important to secure. Does not need to pay a fee to maintain those rights.

C6 residents
Temporary allowed within the country (when there are more than one) or areas important to secure (such as cities).

Humans under custody of others
D 'citizenship' means that you are under guardianship of someone else.

D0: very high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C0/higher. Will instead be given C2 citizenship at 16
D1: high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C1/higher. Will instead be given C3 citizenship at 16.
D2: high-value individual reduced to property of C0 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D3: valuable individual reduced to property of C1 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D4: individual (such as a child) where C4 or higher have custody. Will instead be given C4 citizenship at 16.
D5: slave/child you are not allowed to injure (minor punishments allowed).
D6: slave not allowed to be killed or seriously injure (loss of limb, brain-damage, sterilized, etc).
D7: slave you are not allowed to kill or give serious brain-damage.
D8: slave with no rights.

D0 and D1 individuals who cannot meet the standard at 16 will have their citizenship downgraded. The D0 and D1 'citizenships' are exclusive to people younger than 16. A lot of resources will be invested into training D0 and D1 teens/children while they are young and can learn easily.

By default biological children of C0/higher will get D0 'citizenships' but D0 citizenships, teends/children under 16 who are not children to C0/higher can still be given D0 citizenship via court approval by request of C0/higher.

By default biological children of C1/higher will get D1 'citizenships' but D1 citizenships, teends/children under 16 who are not children to C1/higher can still be given D1 citizenship via court approval by request of C1/higher.

People with D2 or D3 citizenship can be freed by the people who own them as custody at any time to be given C4 citizenship. Freeing them to get higher than C4 does however require court or senate approval.

People can be under the custody of more than one individual, for D0 'citizens' all individuals who share custody needs to be C0 or higher.

Free people with less/no rights
People with reduced legal protections are given E 'citizenships' while military targets (people we are trying to get rid off or capture) are given F 'citizenship.
 

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Factors to consider when evaluating a system of governance
These factors will not be constant, they will depend on what type of decision it is and who you are as an individual (whether or not you and people genetically close to you benefit).

0. Accuracy
You want the government to make the right decision 100% of the time, this in practice is near impossible to achieve.

1. Latency
It's very important that a decision is made before it's too late.

2. Authority
Having a perfect government itself isn't enough if their authority is limited (such as limited to a small area, not having the military of the country under proper control, having most people refusing to listen to the government). A perfect government might however be able to fix this problem over time gaining more and more authority by making smart decisions.

3. Throughput
You want the highest authority to be very involved in actually governing the country rather than relying on lower authorities they are not properly examining what decisions they are making and how they worked out.

4. Focusing on the right questions
Because the highest power will have limited time they will have to make good decisions regarding what they should focus the most on. Less important questions can be handled by non-senators (such as corporations, senate successors, C0 citizens) or by only having a part of the senate (such as 7 of 63) look at the decision (if the senate has the ultimate authority), you delay making a decision if it isn't urgent.
 

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Pure elite rule example with 63 senators (sub-optimal)
Note that this is just one example of how the ideal system might look like for some scenario. The actual ideal system will depend on the situation in the area that needs to be governed.

Citizen classes consist of a letter (A to F) and a number. The latter tells the citizen category while the number tells how many higher citizenship that exist of said category.

A The ruling elite
B successors
C citizens and legal residents
D people under custody
E free people with limited/no rights.
F people targeted by the police/military (such as people in criminal gangs).

63 senators will divide themselves into 7 smaller courts with 9 seats each.

Code:
          seat0 seat1 seat2 seat3 seat4 seat5 seat6 seat7 seat8
court0    A0    A7    A14   A21   A28   A35   A42   A49   A56
court1    A1    A8    A15   A22   A29   A36   A43   A50   A57
court2    A2    A9    A16   A23   A30   A37   A44   A51   A58
court3    A3    A10   A17   A24   A31   A38   A45   A52   A59
court4    A4    A11   A18   A25   A32   A39   A46   A53   A60
court5    A5    A12   A19   A26   A33   A40   A47   A54   A61
court6    A6    A13   A20   A27   A34   A41   A48   A55   A62
Note that more than one senate court can try the same case, if they tnen do not arrive at the same conclusion a full senate vote will be held to determine the outcome.

Below that there are 9 senate courts 7 seats each where each senator can appeal the decision to the 9-seat senate oourt they belong to.
Code:
          seat0 seat1 seat2 seat3 seat4 seat5 seat6
court7    A0    A1    A2    A3    A4    A5    A6
court8    A7    A8    A9    A10   A11   A12   A13
court9    A14   A15   A16   A17   A18   A19   A20
court10   A21   A22   A23   A24   A25   A26   A27
court11   A28   A29   A30   A31   A32   A33   A34
court12   A35   A36   A37   A38   A39   A40   A41
court13   A42   A43   A44   A45   A46   A47   A48
court14   A49   A50   A51   A52   A53   A54   A55
court15   A56   A57   A58   A59   A60   A61   A62
Here again more than one court can try the same case but here the order actually matters since the court highest on the list will prevail if it no appeal is granted.

If only one senator want's to serve directly during the trail said senator will be the judge with successors to 6 other senators being jury members. You can for example have something like the following (or just let each senator decide who is going to participate by a case by case basis).

You can also use a matrix such as the following to determine which successor will serve at which court
Code:
0 1 3 2 6 5 4
1 0 2 6 4 3 5
2 3 0 1 5 4 6
3 4 5 0 1 6 2
4 6 1 5 0 2 3
5 2 6 4 3 0 1
6 5 4 3 2 1 0
Which would give:
Code:
         seat0 seat1 seat2 seat3 seat4 seat5 seat6
court16  A0    B1    B66   B128  B195  B257  B319
court17  A1    B0    B65   B132  B193  B255  B320
court18  A2    B3    B63   B127  B194  B256  B321
court19  A3    B4    B68   B126  B190  B258  B317
court20  A4    B6    B64   B131  B189  B254  B318
court21  A5    B2    B69   B130  B192  B252  B316
court22  A6    B5    B67   B129  B191  B253  B315
court23  A7    B8    B73   B135  B202  B264  B326
court24  A8    B7    B72   B139  B200  B262  B327
court25  A9    B10   B70   B134  B201  B263  B328
court26  A10   B11   B75   B133  B197  B265  B324
court27  A11   B13   B71   B138  B196  B261  B325
court28  A12   B9    B76   B137  B199  B259  B323
court29  A13   B12   B74   B136  B198  B260  B322
court30  A14   B15   B80   B142  B209  B271  B333
court31  A15   B14   B79   B146  B207  B269  B334
court32  A16   B17   B77   B141  B208  B270  B335
court33  A17   B18   B82   B140  B204  B272  B331
court34  A18   B20   B78   B145  B203  B268  B332
court35  A19   B16   B83   B144  B206  B266  B330
court36  A20   B19   B81   B143  B205  B267  B329
court37  A21   B22   B87   B149  B216  B278  B340
court38  A22   B21   B86   B153  B214  B276  B341
court39  A23   B24   B84   B148  B215  B277  B342
court40  A24   B25   B89   B147  B211  B279  B338
court41  A25   B27   B85   B152  B210  B275  B339
court42  A26   B23   B90   B151  B213  B273  B337
court43  A27   B26   B88   B150  B212  B274  B336
court44  A28   B29   B94   B156  B223  B285  B347
court45  A29   B28   B93   B160  B221  B283  B348
court46  A30   B31   B91   B155  B222  B284  B349
court47  A31   B32   B96   B154  B218  B286  B345
court48  A32   B34   B92   B159  B217  B282  B346
court49  A33   B30   B97   B158  B220  B280  B344
court50  A34   B33   B95   B157  B219  B281  B343
court51  A35   B36   B101  B163  B230  B292  B354
court52  A36   B35   B100  B167  B228  B290  B355
court53  A37   B38   B98   B162  B229  B291  B356
court54  A38   B39   B103  B161  B225  B293  B352
court55  A39   B41   B99   B166  B224  B289  B353
court56  A40   B37   B104  B165  B227  B287  B351
court57  A41   B40   B102  B164  B226  B288  B350
court58  A42   B43   B108  B170  B237  B299  B361
court59  A43   B42   B107  B174  B235  B297  B362
court60  A44   B45   B105  B169  B236  B298  B363
court61  A45   B46   B110  B168  B232  B300  B359
court62  A46   B48   B106  B173  B231  B296  B360
court63  A47   B44   B111  B172  B234  B294  B358
court64  A48   B47   B109  B171  B233  B295  B357
court65  A49   B50   B115  B177  B244  B306  B368
court66  A50   B49   B114  B181  B242  B304  B369
court67  A51   B52   B112  B176  B243  B305  B370
court68  A52   B53   B117  B175  B239  B307  B366
court69  A53   B55   B113  B180  B238  B303  B367
court70  A54   B51   B118  B179  B241  B301  B365
court71  A55   B54   B116  B178  B240  B302  B364
court72  A56   B57   B122  B184  B251  B313  B375
court73  A57   B56   B121  B188  B249  B311  B376
court74  A58   B59   B119  B183  B250  B312  B377
court75  A59   B60   B124  B182  B246  B314  B373
court76  A60   B62   B120  B187  B245  B310  B374
court77  A61   B58   B125  B186  B248  B308  B372
court78  A62   B61   B123  B185  B247  B309  B371
The Successors to A0 are B0, B63, B126, B189, B252, B315, B378, B441, B504, B567, B630, B693.
The Successors to A1 are B1, B64, B127, B190, B253, B316, B379, B442, B505, B568, B63§, B693.

Holding multiple B-citizenships
It's possible for a single individual to be a successor to more than one senator but you can then still only take one senate seat with the other seat, thus there are theoretical scenarios where a B-citizen will have more than one empty senate seat to choice from, then the seats not taken will be offered to the second successors instead.

You can still vote to change the b-citizens if a senate seat is empty but then for the vote to pass you need to have it pass with a big enough margin such that it would have passed if all those empthy seats would have been populated with people voting no.

An A-citizen can also hold one or more B-citizenships but then in order to actually replace a senator they will need to abandon their current senator seat.

C0 citizens
Only C0 citizens are eligible for the highest levels of service such as being appointer as a successor/servant to a senator.

In total 9999 people or less will have C0 or higher.

People with C0 or higher can be selected to vote on important matters but this will only be votes that are not urgent. In cases where a quick decision is needed only A-citizens will vote since only A citizens will be expected to sleep on different times to ensure that a majority will always be awake to be able to instantly make a decision.

Most/all people promoted to C0 will have had a C1 citizenship before that.

Can appeal decisions in courts that have less than 5 members with C0/higher.

C1 citizens
Up to 999999 people can have a C1 citizenship or higher.

There will be some referendums where people with C1 or higher will be allowed to participate.

Some positions of authority will require C1 or higher (such as to be an imperial judge).

Can appeal decisions in courts that have less than 5 members with C1/higher.

C2 citizens
Approved by court (5+ or C1/higher) for possessing heavy weapons.

There will be some referendums where people with C2 or higher will be allowed to participate.

C3 citizens
Approved for possessing light weapons.

There will be some referendums where people with C3 or higher will be allowed to participate.

C4 citizens
Given by default to people where both parents are C4 or higher. It's also much easier to acquire than C3 or higher, especially if one of the parents have C4 citizenship.

There will be some referendums where people with C4 or higher will be allowed to participate.

C5 residents
When there are multiple countries left this will be used to denote people merely being allowed within the country, later it will allow access inside cities and other areas important to secure. Does not need to pay a fee to maintain those rights.

C6 residents
Temporary allowed within the country (when there are more than one) or areas important to secure (such as cities).

Humans under custody of others
D 'citizenship' means that you are under guardianship of someone else.

D0: very high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C0/higher. Will instead be given C2 citizenship at 16
D1: high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C1/higher. Will instead be given C3 citizenship at 16.
D2: high-value individual reduced to property of C0 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D3: valuable individual reduced to property of C1 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D4: individual (such as a child) where C4 or higher have custody. Will instead be given C4 citizenship at 16.
D5: slave/child you are not allowed to injure (minor punishments allowed).
D6: slave not allowed to be killed or seriously injure (loss of limb, brain-damage, sterilized, etc).
D7: slave you are not allowed to kill or give serious brain-damage.
D8: slave with no rights.

D0 and D1 individuals who cannot meet the standard at 16 will have their citizenship downgraded. The D0 and D1 'citizenships' are exclusive to people younger than 16. A lot of resources will be invested into training D0 and D1 teens/children while they are young and can learn easily.

By default biological children of C0/higher will get D0 'citizenships' but D0 citizenships, teends/children under 16 who are not children to C0/higher can still be given D0 citizenship via court approval by request of C0/higher.

By default biological children of C1/higher will get D1 'citizenships' but D1 citizenships, teends/children under 16 who are not children to C1/higher can still be given D1 citizenship via court approval by request of C1/higher.

People with D2 or D3 citizenship can be freed by the people who own them as custody at any time to be given C4 citizenship. Freeing them to get higher than C4 does however require court or senate approval.

People can be under the custody of more than one individual, for D0 'citizens' all individuals who share custody needs to be C0 or higher.

Free people with less/no rights
People with reduced legal protections are given E 'citizenships' while military targets (people we are trying to get rid off or capture) are given F 'citizenship.
 

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Defining authoritarianism
There isn't any consensus on this so i am going to propose a definition.

"Authoritarianism" is a system of government where 70 to 100% of the highest authority is centralized to a single individual or body consisting of less than 0.25 % of the population with weak/no formal restrictions to their power over society.

Examples of authority is
0. The legal system.
1. The executive branch.
2. Media.
3. Ability to make/change laws.
4. Education.
5. selection of successors.
6. The power over government spending
7. Power over government funding

Having the highest authority does not require direct and detailed control, it just means that the ruling elite or individual can intervene at any time for any reason.

"Full Authoritarianism" is a system of government where a single body has complete authority over society with no formal restrictions to their power over society.

While a fully authoritarian government can have full authority that itself does not make the government totalitarian, they are only totalitarian if they actually uses their power to exercise an extremely high degree of control and regulation over public and private life.

Example: China is currently authoritarian while still not being totalitarian.
 

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Time to embrace authoritarianism
One very common notion especially among Americans is that we should 'limit' the power of government by having all these institutions and decentralization. Not even i know all the various political bodies and posts for the US, here is just some of them

0. The president
1. The supreme court
2. Cabinet members
3. administrators
4. The senate.
5. The house of representatives.
6. Federal courts below the supreme court.
7. Governors
8. State legislators
9. School boards
10. Mayors.
11. state courts
12. city councils

This of course doesn't actually limit the total power of authorities, all it does is spread the authority out over different bodies that will then naturally try to expand their power at the expense of other bodies and the citizens.

People end up having to wait months/years for the supreme court to finally resolve some legal question.

Effective governance becomes impossible.

There will be way too many points of failure of the system such as a governor screwing up the covid response endangering the entire federation.

A note on 3 and 4 is that these generally belong to the executive branch and should in theory follow the laws and the president/governor but in practice these will get significant power in total due to the president not aggressively asserting his authority over them.

The solution is simple

Theoretically the solution is very simple and should be obvious. You just let a single individual or a ruling elite govern everything and you concentrate all power among these people, that way it's clear to everyone who has the highest authority, government decisions can be quick and accurate.

The practical issue with this is that often the people who end up grabbing power are not the people you actually want in power. What often happens is that people who are incompetent grab power for themselves only to run their country to the ground, this has happened many times before and it will continue to happen.

But once capable enough people grab power over a strong country they should be able to conquer the entire planet and establish themselves as the sole higher authority of our blue planet.

Examples of successful authoritarianism

All democratic countries rely heavily on the private sector dominated by authoritarian governments, other structures have been tried but generally these do not work out too well.

One very obvious case of authoritarianism working much better for government policy is the chinese covid response where they are not crushing omicron with R0 of 8 while most democratic governments who were not iseland countries failed at contolling the original variant with R0 of 2.

Western countries often also ended up depriving their citizens of basic freedoms (they few people had left) in order to combat covid only too fail because it was too late or they were too incompetent to do it effectively.

https://vintologi.com/threads/about-covid-19-lockdowns.821/
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For example, not everybody has the same idea of what a "good" covid response would be
Yea many people (including you) are wrong which is why we need Authoritarianism in the first place.
I think it makes the most sense to just let it run its course to develop natural immunity in the population and thus any positive action is "bad" by my standard.
It's was obviously not the correct response since doing that would have killed at least a million and cuased massive disruption to society. By successfully doing covid-zero you can hold off until you have safe and effective vaccines/treatments available.

Right and wrong does exist.
And that's why Americans are always going on about limiting the power of government; It's a fundamental principle of American governance that the sole purpose of government is to protect the rights and liberties of the individual.
What you have been trying to do isn't even possible in the first place. Europe isn't into that nonsense and we arguably have overall more freedoms.

The government is needed in the first place to protect your freedoms (some people have ancap ideas but that's very unlikely to be viable).
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So your argument is that we should value expediency and convenience over freedom? No thanks. This would amount to a kind modern form of serfdom and once that power is conceded you don’t have the option of getting it back. Also when you say “successful authoritarianism” for whom is successful? Are breadlines and lower quality of goods and services successful? You’re also ignoring the psychological damage that less freedom would have on individuals over time.
You are missing one important point, freedom isn't even an option in the first place.

You cannot limit the power of government, all you can do is move the authority somewhere else (such as making the supreme court more powerful at the expense of the president).

Covid-19 is a good example of that, a lot of countries first tried following the herd immunity strategy only to in panic introduce drackonian lockdowns due to hospitals getting overwhelmed and people being upset about people dying left and right.
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I think what you suggest is already happening. It’s just being done in a very underhanded, Machiavellian way, rather than explicitly. The fact that it is masquerading as democracy is unfortunate, but necessary in a country like the US, where the majority of people favor personal liberty and sovereignty over the collective good.

What people don’t seem to realize (though it has become more obvious with the pandemic) is that these supposed “natural human rights” are actually just privileges which can be revoked by the authoritarian state when deemed necessary to do so.
It's probably unavoidable, eventually one individual or board should grab all the power since having a single body controlling everything is the only stable configuration.

The only problem is that there is no guarantee that the ones ultimately grabbing the power will actually govern well. If they will not do that you just have to flee before it's too late.

I also think that people increasingly lose faith in liberal democracy as a system, they do not get the liberties they expect from said system (which is to be expected) and people get increasingly atomized from each other. There is also the issue of mass incarceration (#1 in the world) while still failing to keep the citizens safe from violent criminals.
 

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About different branches of government and democracy
Having all these different branches of government is not inherit to democracy.

Several democratic countries have the parliament be supreme and no real checks to their power besides the election they could rig if they really wanted, Sweden is a good example of this.

Sweden did like many other countries go for a herd immunity strategy against covid but the actual execution was relatively good. Many people died and many more got bad long-covid but we did did keep most of our freedoms and we did not have to deal with significant rebellions (since the government tried keeping restrictions at a minimum in time and scope).

People being democratically elected in countries like Sweden and Estonia does significantly limit how well governments can function, the ceiling in terms of how well the country is govern is much lower than for pure elite rule.

If you want to limit the effect of individual elections it's better to just elect some of the parliament for each election, ofc there would still be a high degree of mob rule but it will stop temporary passions for wrecking the country.

Having people completely replace the member of one powerful branch (such as the executive in the US) does not effectively stop a single election from wrecking the system since you could just elect a majority in the house of representatives and the president with a single election and then impeaching the president might not even be possible since he/she has loyal supporters in the house of representatives.

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It doesn't even spread power out. Power is still highly concentrated, only it hides behind a faceless bureaucracy. Because it is not formalized, this power is perpetually insecure and therefore sociopathic. Power formally invested in and securely held by a monarch or dictator is free to do what it wants, not what it must. This does not mean it will benefit it's subjects, only that it has the potential to, whereas democracies and republics seem not to even have the potential for doing good. The worse are made the subjects of a democracy or republic, the more degenerated, stupid, addicted, deracinated, isolated, depressed, propagandized etc. the more secure is made the regime.

However many branches or however few, power transcends and bureaucratizes these political structures and remains centralized, but because it is not formalized it is both unaccountable and insecure, and this explains it's pathological character.

The most compelling criticisms of democracy were not that it was merely "bad" but that it was actually impossible, that power could never be held by "the people" and in trying to formalize such a system all that is created is a shield of bureaucratic abstraction behind which real power hides and is even less likely to be held to account.
 

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Medieval Iceland
Medieval Iceland (which is the closest to anarcho-capitalism i know of) was a primitive society and it still collapsed after 290 years. The actual governance became more and more like pure elite rule (power centralization) but because they didn't have an exacutive power people ended up rebelling and later the norwegian king gain control over the country.

While anarchism has it's appeal it's important to recognize that with modern technology and the competition between societies it's not something that can last very long, it might be fun for the short term it lasts but it's not the final result. The best case scenario is some competent authority emerging over the area but if there are other competing societies around you might just get conquered instead.

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Some cultures might respond to authoritarianism better where they find comfort in the perception that a form of government will keep things fair, but it’s ultimately just that…a perception.

I, a westerner, trend towards anarchism personally because whether competent or not, a government cannot adequately protect your rights. It can decide on a whim that something isn’t right and with the stroke of a pen make anyone a criminal.

Competence in government is very much overrated for me. Upon closer inspection, many tin pot dictators were actually quite well educated so it must have been something else like ego or anger that leads to downfall.

Personally, I think it’s better to question the authority given to a figure rather than question the competence of the figure in authority.
 

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Political survival of the fittest
If there isn't a political monopoly we will have different factions/individuals competing for power.

The more power a faction has the better their ability will be to influence society to gain even more power. This potentially creates a positive feedback loop where one group or individual eventually gain complete authority over the country.

Some factions will refrain from using their existing authority to gain more authority but these factions will then end up with a competitive disadvantage.

Smaller faction will find it hard to survive since they will probably not have any significant power-faction standing up for them. If they get deplatformed they might not have anywhere else to go because nobody likes them, Milo Yiannopoulos became irrelevant and powerless after conservatives, leftwingers and liberals all teamed up against him.

The more aggressive a political movement is in asserting itself the more it will grow and become mainstream, this is why trans activists in particular has been successful while people opposing genital mutilation of children have not been very successful. Talking about the genitals of children is not very socially acceptable and this allows harmful practices to continue.

The nazis ended up grabbing power in the Weimar republic in part because they pushed very aggressively for their ideology, Hitler ended up becoming dictator and millions of people died because of that.

The competition between political factions will naturally result in everything becoming politicized, instead of looking out for the country the different factions focus on growing/securing their own power.
 

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Madman strategy on steroids via pure elite rule
One strategy to deal with hostile nations is to posture as insane while having powerful nukes making them afraid you might be crazy enough to pull the trigger, thus giving one individual power to launch nukes might be beneficial in terms of intimidating other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

With pure elite rule you can do something similar against hostile nations but make it even more terrifying for countries causing you problems. If there are 15 senators you can let up to 7 approve a nuclear strike at any time meaning it just takes 1 of the ramaining 8 senators to launch a nuke, you can shift that around so it only takes 1 of 15 to launch the nuke, that might happen accidentally due to someone unintentionally touching the yes button.
 

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Lobbyism
Politicians will often have a poor understanding about the realities of actually running some business. This create room for business interest to influence politics to the detriment of society by convincing clueless politicians to do what's good for them at the detriment for society as a whole.

Because of the conflict of interest non-government actors have leaders have to be careful when talking to people like business representatives. A politicians might be better of not even talking to lobbyists in the first place, this can be done by instead using staff to manage these conversations.

In a democracy it's often not actually in the interest of politicians to listen much to lobbyists, instead they will likely focus on getting re-elected even if it means passing some law that harms business (in order to please ignorant voters).

In elite eule the senators will rely heavily upon their successors when it comes to governance, these successors will also act as staff/advisors reducing/eliminated the need to rely on special interest groups for advice.

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Tax-credit voting
An alternative to dividing the population into people allowed to vote and people not allowed to vote is to use a tax-credit system where the taxes paid will get credited to you and then have each vote cost a certain amount of tax-credit.

For example we might want to spread out the parliaments via 15 local buildings that each host 15 members of parliament where a candidate can run for any of these local parliaments via a list (they can have themselves first), seats will be distributed via the D'Hondt method. This would allow people to cast up to 15 votes for each election.

Unused tax-credit will be saved for upcoming elections but it will not pass to anyone in the case of deaths, people will also not be able to give away or sell their tax-credits.

People would be more motivated to put effort into voting if it was a privilege they had to earn rather than something that is given to them for surviving until the first election when they are 18 or older.

One big advantage with the tax-credit system is that it would motivate a lot of people to work hard to pay taxes since that would allow them to get a say in how the government is run (which many people value highly).

Voting rights reserved to the people paying taxes voting rights would align better with how important people are for society than the 18+ system that gives too much power to useless old people who contribute nearly nothing to society. The issue of children not getting direct priority by politicians would however remain since most young people wouldn't pay much in taxes. Another issue is that someone can be important for society without being competent enough to vote.

If you would base voting-power on the amount of tax paid by each individual you could as a government just give the people you want to vote very high salaries and then these people would be able to vote in the next election. Not counting salaries directly from the government does not solve this ‘problem’ since then you could just have the ones you want to vote be employed by a ‘private’ company and then outlaw all their competition, it would also result in professional soldiers employed by the government not having taxes from their government salaries counted which is the opposite of what you want. People who work for your government should obviously be given more power, not less.
 

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Authoritarianism is unavoidable and good
A true elite when voting will make the correct decision more often than any individual human can
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x = probability of a senator making a decision
y = probability of the senate making said decision

If you expand the senate too much in size however you will decrease the incentive for individual senators to vote correctly and you will make it harder to maintain high quality among senators (having to accept less qualified people to fill the seats).

Thus pure elite rule is the form of governance with the best potential.

Societal survival of the fittest
Weak societies will fall and be taken over by stronger societies.

Democratic societies tend to become weak and this cannot last forever, you can utilize weaknesses in democratic systems to slowly grab power, after that there will not be any more real democracy.

We are currently seeing the West moving towards authoritarianism to counter Russia and China.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia

https://www.newsweek.com/germany-russian-z-symbol-outlawed-1692567

Because elite rule has the highest potential we can expect a country with elite rule to expand to the point where it governs the entire planet (beating all competition). If somehow a democratic country wins this competition it will not last due to internal instability.

Why a ruling elite will take care of their citizens
A farmer will take care of his animals because they are his property and beneficial for him.

Similarly with pure elite rule the elite will naturally want to take care of their citizens since they are the base for the power of the elite.

So we can expect countries with elite rule to aggressively favor their own citizens to expand the base of their power (conquering new areas and growing the size of the population).

They will also make people believe strongly in the government by controlling media and via effective governance.

Once the ruling elite has gained control over the entire planet they will be able to focus more on creating a society that is good for the average citizen since they will no longer have to compete against other governments for territorial control.

Why separation of power is a bad idea
One obvious issue with trying to separate different branches of the government is that then it's not clear where the actual authority is, then you will need to have some body (such as supreme court) to determine where the authority of different bodies begin and end.

In addition having different independent bodies working together will create multiple points of failure. A good example why this is a bad idea is the tetrarchy system implemented by Diocletian, having 4 largely independent emperors was more efficient short-term for defending the empire but it depended on the emperors not turning against it other, it later devolved into civil war.

While you can have specialization within the government it's very important that the highest power has a good knowledge about the society as a whole. You can have different senators specialize at different tasks but then it's important that people make sure the senators entrusted with specific tasks actually do a good job.

About checks and balances to power
The power of an entity can be limited by hard limit or by deterrence.

For a hard limit to work when it comes to government decisions the time it takes for other individuals to intervene cannot be too long, only a few minutes in the case or nuclear war.

deterrences can often be evaded, there are many ways to cheat i elections and in wars you may be able to limit the damage that can be delivered in return if you decide to push the nuclear button.

If someone does a crime it will often be too late once the police show up and many people are willing to break the law to achieve a political goal. Brenton Tarrant killed 51 muslims knowing he would go to jail for it, breivik killed 77 individuals and didn't even expect to survive.

Hard limits to the power of certain leaders only changes the power distribution, it doesn't limit the total power of the government. In order to limit the power of one entity (such as the president) you need to empower some other entity (such as the supreme court).

Let's say you make it harder for the government to convict (such as requirering 75% majority in the courts including the supreme court) in that case you can just illegally kill people and then have 3 of 9 supreme court justices block any accountability, the ones doing the killing doesn't even have to be the official government.

Entity A: makes the correct decision 70% of the time.

Entity B: makes the correct decision 60% of the time.

If entity B rules the country but are accountable to Entity A you want entity A to intervene as much as possible, of course it would be even better if Entity A directly rules the country. The opposite true holds true if Entity A governs, in that case it's better if entity B never intervenes.

Unfortunately the ones with the ultimate power will be time-limited and thus they will end up having to rely on other people making good decisions for them. Thus even if the highest court always make the correct decision we might still end up with a lot of bad results due to the highest court not having time to review all decisions made by lower courts.

Separations of power allows for more specialization but it also adds more points of failure, this will only be stable if all branches of government are accountable to the same entity with ultimate power, this specialization can also be achieved by relying on paries outside the official government.
Which is, of course, exactly why authoritarian societies control the entire world now and have conquered many less authoritarian societies in war.

Wait, no, the exact opposite thing has happened.
Russia has actually expanded their borders despite a rather dysfunctional government.

The world is becoming more authoritarian now largely due to what used to be democracies becoming increasingly authoritarian, not due to territorial changes.

https://www.idea.int/news-media/news/democracy-faces-perfect-storm-world-becomes-more-authoritarian

China is likely to expand their borders given the opportunity, it's risky for them now due to the US being strong.
What is your explanation of autocratic Russia's army performing way worse in the Ukraine invasion than anyone expected?
Authoritarianism is not automatically better, it just has larger standard deviation when it comes to the success.

So most authoritarian governments will fail. Many will perform worse than democratic governments.

Because Russia's government is rather dysfunctional their territorial expansion isn't going too well now. This is an example of societal selection against incompetent governance.
What's correct about a decision?
From your perspective it's about how it's affect you, people close to you, your offspring and random citizens in the future (in the case of reincarnation).

The senators will naturally want to create a good future for their children (including the ones who are not able to become senators themselves.
I think you're leaving out a crucial detail. Most authoritarian governments will not just fail but reach lower lows that are distinct to authoritarianism when they fail. The ceiling for success is higher, but the floor for failure is lower to a much greater degree. When you say that authoritarianism is good, what you mean by "good" doesn't even seem to align with any common usage understanding of the word.
While the lows might be lower these societies will generally not last very long.

But one of the worst disasters actually took place due to democracy

 

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People often want authoritarianism without realizing it
A lot of democtats were upset with republicans blocking Merrick Garland since they wanted him on the court "to defend their rights".

What many people overlook is that the way supreme court justices defend rights is via "judicial review" where they invalidate laws for being unconstitutional. Some people on the left has actually stated that they are against judicial review but almost without exception these people were upset with the supreme court overturning Roe v Wade.

But there isn't even anything in the constitution saying anything about abortion, nor is bodily autonomy guaranteed. The supreme court did earlier reject a lot of challanges of vaccine mandates, the only reason they blocked the osha mandate was because congress didn't specifically approve of that.

Most republicans would have preferred if the supreme court had rules vaccine mandates to be unconstitutional even if it's passed by a congress or a state. Most democrats want the supreme court to rule that abortion will be allowed rather than having to pass legislation regarding it (which barrack hussein obama could have since he had a super majority).

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/4732/supreme-court.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

Seems like people would rather have the supreme court write legislation than trusting congress to do that.
 

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Pure elite rule in practise
Pure elite rule has the big advantage of being flexible since all decisions only require ordinary majority among A-citizens and it's also very easy to change the non-technical aspects of the governance.

It's likely that 1 or 2 people will end up in practise making almost all decisions in a system with pure elite rule due to most A-citizens opting to trust one individual to govern (as long as he/she does a good job). There might be more than one A-citizen wanting to do active governance but often only one-plan can be followed at one time and this may require having one individual practically making most/all decisions.

Having one individual just make all the decisions can be more practical similar to how it's often most efficient to have one individual make all the work for a group-project. Spreading out work to multiple people can be difficult to coordinate and may result in problematic inconsistencies (such as due to 1 of 7 not doing their job ruining the whole thing).

Non-technical power concentration is more likely to happen if the number of A-citizens is large.

With non-technical power concentration the decisions still has to be approved by the A-citizens at large (such as 5 of 9) but there will be one individual initiating all or nearly all proposals that actually pass and proposals will typically pass since most A-citizens will typically think it's something good in part due to them trusting the A-citizen who made the proposal but mostly due to the A-citizen consistently proposing stuff that enough other A-citizens would be willing to vote for regardless of who initiated the vote.

And the better job one individual does at coming up for plans for the country the less need there will be for other A-citizens to intervene.
 

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Best democratic system
Every 2 years a new member of the senate will be democratically elected, if the senate has 7 seats the each elected senator can sit for 14 year, if the senate has 15 seats a newly elected senator can sit on his seat for 30 years.

One option is to to have a second vote (with the 2 candidates who got the most votes) if nobody got over 50%

https://star.vote is also an option.

Each new senator will also select a vice-senator ready to take over if the senator dies, retires or become unable to serve.
 

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Women should be D1 slaves
A single government would not be able to properly decide who should be able to control millions of women, it would require too much in terms of brainpower. Fathers would not be able to do a proper job selecting either.

But if we only reduce some females to D1 or lower we can look at what males tgat managed to reproduce via free females and distribute the D1 to D3 females to them. Thus you would get both female sexual selection and selection via government power.
 

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Alternative judicial system (more decentralized)
You become a B12-citizen by passing a test where you have to show you understand our laws. Once you are a B12-citizen you can also legally become successor to senator, member of parliament or official advisor to senator(s). Once you are a B-citizen you can randomly be selected for jury-duty.

A case will first be tried by 7 to 15 B-citizens who are randomly selected for the task, most trials will come to an end here, especially when the verdict is without dissent. Once B-citizens have been selected for an individual the same individuals will judge in any new trial where the individual is the defendant.

The defendant/prosecutor can ask jury member(s) to appeal the verdict, if they do the A0 citizens will look into it and decide if they are going to take up the case in the high court. The high court can decide to hold a national trial themselves or to order other people to do a new trial.

A verdict in the high court can be appealed to a full senate trial but these trials will have to be rare since senators will be busy working with other things. In order to participate in a full senate trial the senators would have to let their successor take over ordinary senate tasks, the executive concil (A1) may have to instead send their successors (B0) to the trial while they govern the country.
 

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Overcomplicated elite rule.
An elite taking control over a country will be able to enjoy abusing their powers in many ways. If the elite takes power ruthlessly they are also likely to rule ruthlessly. The ruling elite will divide the population into several classes.

A the ruling elite.
B selected citizens.
C citizens/tourists.
D Slaves.
E non-citizens not allowed within the border
F military targets.

Rather than using a simple method for distributing power it can be tempting to make something more complicated thinking "it's better like this" but you just end up with a system that is harder to analyze and will likely have issues that you didn't foresee, here is an exmaple:

A0 citizens(15)
These are the members of the senate and has the higher legislative and judicial power. Each senator chooses a first to forth successor that will takeover once he dies or resigns. The senators are numbered 0 to 14 and if the vote ends with draw the vote of the lowest numbered voting senator will decide.

A1 citizens(85)
State governor, cabinet member or first successor to a senator. The senate must be unanimous in order to remove an A1-citizen from his post. 15 A1 citizens or a single A0-citizen can request an A-vote or delay the replacement of a deputy senator by 100 days.

A2 citizens(115)
Deputy governor, second to forth successor to a senator or deputy to a cabinet member. A margin of 13 votes is required in the senate to remove an A2 citizen from his post.

A3 citizens(210)
Second to forth deputy governor or second to forth deputy to a cabinet member. A margin of 11 votes is required in the senate to remove an A3 citizen from his post.

A4 citizens(575)
Each A4-citizen will select a B-citizen as successor. If the A4-citizen dies/resigns without selecting a successor the senate will choose one, he will be added as A4-citizen if the senate was unanimous or if 7 days has passed without a new candidate getting more votes in the senate.

Any changes to how the country is governed can forced via the A-vote where A-citizens are the only ones allowed to vote and have one vote each. A senator or 15 A1-citizens to request it and that the new suggestion for how to govern wins by a margin of at least {senators opposing the change}² votes.

The possibility to do an A-vote limits the power of the executive branch of the government, it is up to the A-citizens to come up with good limitations for the judiciary. Thus, the small number of senators is controlled by a much larger number of A-citizens.

Only nationals of class A can be chosen as successors to senators, governors, cabinet members. When the senate votes to remove an A-citizenship there will be a delay period or at least (1000,500,350,250,200,150,100,50) days before the change takes effect for a win margin of (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) in the senate. A unanimous senate is allowed to replace any A-citizens with other individuals and it will take 50 days or longer until the change is implemented.

B citizens(10000)
If the number of B-citizens drops below 9991 a A1 or A0 citizen will be given 120 hours to select 10 new B1-citizens, the A0 and A1 citizens will take turns selecting the new B1 citizens starting with the 15 senators. An A-citizen can choose any B1 citizen as successor(becomes B0 citizen).

The senate can add any number of new B1-citizens with a margin of 5 votes. If the number of B-citizens remains less than (13000,17000,25000) the senate can add new B-citizens with a margin of (2,3,4) votes. The senate requires a margin of at least 6 votes to limit the time and individual is allowed to B-citizen and the minimum time before downgrade will be (500,350,250,175,125,100,75,50,25,0) for win margin of (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) votes.

C0 full citizenship.
C1 permanent residence.
C2 temporary residence.
D0 free slave, have to pay an additional amount of tax each month to the state.
D1 slave you have to threat well (owned by C0 or higher).
D2 slave not allowed to be killed or very seriously injure.
D3 slave with no rights.
E0 very limited legal protections.
E1 No legal protections.
F0 low value military target.
Fn military target of value {F0 value}*10^(n/10)

The cabinet consists of 20 specialists but is not given any additional power by the constitution besides the powers given to all A1 citizens. It will be similar to the current united states cabinet in terms of individuals and they will be valuable as leaders in their fields.

You need to pass physical and mental tests to get a C0 citizenship, in addition C0 citizen will be allowed to vote in some referendums.

Your citizen-class will determine which weapons you are allowed to possess and carry, non-citizens are not allowed to carry any weapons, C0 will be allowed to keep and bear light arms(no license required) while B will be allowed to keep and bear very heavy weapons. Citizens in control of private jets, tanks, etc will all have A-citizenship.

The issue with pure elite rule is that the elite may not choose new members for the elite in a good way(this is why companies and organizations often fail). The ruling elite will have to come up with a good selection process that will allow prominent citizens to be a part of the ruling elite, objective selection criterias such as score on tests or taxes paid can be used to determine who will become a member of the ruling elite.
 

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Military elite rule 2
The goal here is to make the official power align better with the military power. This comes at the expense of making the governce more difficult and less efficient.

A0 to A6
These are the members of the executive council. They have 3500 votes each.

A7 to A99
These are the members of the senate. They have 100 votes each.

A100 to A999
These are special elite solders who have 7 votes each

A1000 to A9898
These are elite solders who have 1 vote each

In total there are 48999 votes meaning that the executive council cannot be overruled when unanimous.

Decisions are first managed by the executive council. If appealed by a member of the executive council it will go to the senate, if there still isn't enough votes for a majority (24500 if nobody has voted abstain) it will be handled by elite soldiers.
 

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Military elite rule 3
The goal here is to make the official power align better with the military power. This comes at the expense of making the governce more difficult and less efficient.

A0 to A6
These are the members of the executive council. They have 2500 votes each.

A7 to A99
These are the members of the senate. They have 50 votes each.

A100 to A999
These are special elite solders who have 5 votes each

A1000 to A9348
These are elite solders who have 1 vote each

In total there are 34999 votes meaning that the executive council cannot be overruled when unanimous.

Decisions are first managed by the executive council. If appealed by a member of the executive council it will go to the senate, if there still isn't enough votes for a majority (17500 if nobody has voted abstain) it will be handled by elite soldiers.
 

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Massive protests against democracy in israel
A lot of people in israel claim to fight for democracy while they are trying to block a judicial reform that would empower the democratically elected knessed while weakening the currently undemocratic judiciary there.

This illustates that people praising "democracy" simply doesn't know what democracy means, it's simply majority rule even if it infringes upon the rights of minorities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4n4ORikIqY
Erode democratic checks and balances
The "checks and balances" talked about here are not particularly democratic.


Of course giving unlimited power to the democratically elected parliament might actually make the country less democratic long-term due to allowing the winning party to rig the next election in the favor. Thus you need to restrict democracy to preserve democracy.
 

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Televised elimination games
The executive council can be selected via very brutal elimination games similar to the astronaut selection process.


Then there is only 2 people left citizens (such as C2 and higher) can be given the final say.
 

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weighting votes
It's simplest and probably best if just one vote (that isn't abstain) is draw-deciding such as

A0: 1.32 votes
A1: 1.16 votes
A2: 1.08 votes
A3: 1.04 votes
A4: 1.02 votes
A5: 1.01 votes
A6: 1 vote.

Then a vote may for example end as

Yes: 5.47
No: 1
Abstain: 1.16
No vote: 0

There is also the following general system for any number of A-citizens

A0: 1.4 votes
A1: 1.2 votes
A2: 1.1 votes
A3: 1.04 votes
A4: 1.02 votes
A5: 1.01 votes
A6: 1.004 votes
A7: 1.002 votes
A8: 1.001 votes

Then a vote might end as

Yes: 5.472
No: 4.305
Abstain: 0
No vote: 0
 

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Antony Davies debunked
He made a libertarian presentation claiming that government worked way worse for people than private businesses due to "public choice theory" which he only presented theoretical evidence and anecdotes to support.


Most of his video is basically him pointing out issues with democracy and representative systems.

While democracy does have issues it's not clear that it leads to more protectionism as claimed in the video and his explanation for why protectionism is common is obviously incorrect. The reason people often want protectionism is that they do not want to see factories closed down and moved to some other country, people are against that even if they themselves do not work there since people naturally care about other people.

There can also be national security reasons for supporting domestic industry, being dependent upon hostile foreign powers for essential products or raw material is very much not a good thing.

He also falsely claimed that "in a republic you want equal representation" which is incorrect. The system that offers the most equal representation is proportional representative democracy (with no threshold) which is what the weimar republic had prior to the nazis taking power there.

having 40% of the seats actually represent 40% of the voters (who voted for said party) does not mean that those 40% are going to get much power since there may have been another party getting 60% allowing them to basically do as they please (doesn't matter how the minority party votes as long as the majority party stays united in votes).

It's probably better just to elect one person to the highest authority every 2 years (or something like that) if you are going to have elections to the highest authority in the first place.

"the median voter theorem" does not apply to actual politics in the US since not everyone will turn out to vote and playing to your base might result in more enthusiasm, people actually showing up to vote for you. In-addition there are also primaries candidates need to worry about so if they become too much of a centrist they might lose in the next primary.

Companies making it easy for you to pay them

He praised one company for having a button on your washing machine tied to your credit card to push any time you wanted to have more washing powder/whatever as if that would be a great thing for the consumer. Of course companies make it very easy for you to pay them money but the moment something goes wrong and they have to do something for you it can be an utter nightmare for you to actually get them to solve the problem.

I never really had any problem with the Swedish government but i had plenty of problems dealing with various private actors. Sure some businesses are easy to deal with but other businesses are not.
 

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1200+ Jews in israel dead because of democracy
The israeli government has had many chances to get rid of hamas but for political reasons those terrorists were allowed to keep preparing for slaughter with predictable result.

Egypt did warn israel but was ignored and now there are maybe 1000 dead jews in addition to over 100 hostages.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Most hostages will probably be killed. Some hamas leaders might keep a few hot girls as sex-slaves but that's about it.

A lot of western countries has pushed israel towards the moronic 2 state solution even though it has failed spectacularly every time it has been tried. Ethnic separatism does not actually prevent bloodshed or genocide.
 

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Regulating executive powers
While the senate does have the absolute authority to make any executive decision said authority will have to be granted by others actors as well since there will be a lot of legal cases and other issues to resolve and it might not be feasible to hold formal votes about everything.

A police officer might for example end up having to kill some people in the moment but then someone will get killed without even facing trial.

It's important that these powers are constrained to limit the damage that can be done by a single actor or a lower court.

You can also grant executive powers to individual A-citizens or groups of A-citizens. You can also use smaller groups of A-citizens for lower courts but allow more than one lower court to try the case, if there is disagreement between lower courts a full senate vote will be needed.
 

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Executive action prior to completion of vote
In some cases you can allow the government to instantly take an action prior to a conclusive senate vote.

You might for example have a message be temporarily deleted on social media by a single A or B citizen.

If only B citizens has voted than it will go by the highest ranked B-citizen for each senator.

Once an A-citizen has voted the other A-citizens will be notified about that (unless they are a sleep or at rest and the subject isn't important) and if they havn't voted in 10 minutes their first successor will be notified as well, this continues downwards until someone ranked high enough has voted
 

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Why you don't want an adversarial legal system
Having people sue each other and pay for lawyers will result in a lot of resources being used for legal matters instead of actually making society as a whole better, this is especially the case if the loser is likely to have to pay for the legal fees of the winner.

So while lawyers benefit from the US system pretty much everyone else loses.

You also do not want an adversarial system for criminal trials, you do not want prosecuters to do everything they can to convict someone, you want the state to instead focus on finding out what's actually happened and what the best remedy for the situation is.

It's also very important that legal issues get quickly resolved and the current court system in most countries is very bad at that.
 

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Example of 'elites' pushing nonsense: definition of the word planet
There was a lot of media attention given to the IAU demoting pluto to no longer being a planet.

Instead of providing a general definition of planet they opted for something that would only apply to the solar system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_planet

https://vintologi.com/threads/our-universe.1503/#post-8318

What is more frightening is how many people who just went along with exoplanets, dwarfplanets and rouge planets not actually being planets, this goes against the very basics in how we actually use the English language.

So why did it go so poorly?

The main issues i can see is having a strict criteria for actually being involved in the decision-making and overspecialization.

This further illustrates why we shouldn't rely on specialized organizations/corporations too much.
 

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Worldwide pure elite rule with 63 senators
Note that this is just one example of how the ideal system might look like for some scenario. The actual ideal system will depend on the situation in the area that needs to be governed.

Citizen classes consist of a letter (A to F) and a number. The latter tells the citizen category while the number tells how many higher citizenship that exist of said category.

A The ruling elite
B successors
C citizens and legal residents
D people under custody
E free people with limited/no rights.
F people targeted by the police/military (such as people in criminal gangs).

63 senators will divide themselves into 7 high courts with 9 seats each. These courts will be spread out around the world in different timezones.
Code:
          seat0 seat1 seat2 seat3 seat4 seat5 seat6 seat7 seat8
court0    A0    A7    A14   A21   A28   A35   A42   A49   A56
court1    A1    A8    A15   A22   A29   A36   A43   A50   A57
court2    A2    A9    A16   A23   A30   A37   A44   A51   A58
court3    A3    A10   A17   A24   A31   A38   A45   A52   A59
court4    A4    A11   A18   A25   A32   A39   A46   A53   A60
court5    A5    A12   A19   A26   A33   A40   A47   A54   A61
court6    A6    A13   A20   A27   A34   A41   A48   A55   A62
Note that other senators can decide to join the train remotely and then they will also be able to vote and influence how the trail is conducted.

By default the time limit to join the trail will end 12 hours after a conclusive vote. A vote is conclusive if the outcome does not depend on how people who have not yet voted provided no more senators formally joins the trial.

Note that the time-limit will not be extended merely by someone joining the trail unless them joining stops the vote from being conclusive.

You can formally join the trial (providing you are a senator) by actively voting on one of the matters decided by the courts where the options are

Yes
No
Abstain
Undecided

Note that a trial can end before the 12 hour limit by enough previously undecided senators actively voting as Yes, No or Abstain (to the point where the outcome no longer depends on the undecided senators).

But if no high court formally took the case up it will instead be decided by the highest ranked successor for each senator who actively voted where successor0 (the senator itself) is the highest ranked. This requires at least 1 senator or at least 5 of the highest ranked successors to vote in either direction or it will determined by what most C0 citizens voted for.

BmN+n: successor m+1 to senator n where N=63 here
Code:
successors0     A0       A1       A2       A3       A4       A5       A6       A7       A8       A9       A10      A11      A12      A13      A14      A15      A16      A17      A18      A19      A20      A21      A22      A23      A24      A25      A26      A27      A28      A29      A30      A31      A32      A33      A34      A35      A36      A37      A38      A39      A40      A41      A42      A43      A44      A45      A46      A47      A48      A49      A50      A51      A52      A53      A54      A55      A56      A57      A58      A59      A60      A61      A62
successors1     B0       B1       B2       B3       B4       B5       B6       B7       B8       B9       B10      B11      B12      B13      B14      B15      B16      B17      B18      B19      B20      B21      B22      B23      B24      B25      B26      B27      B28      B29      B30      B31      B32      B33      B34      B35      B36      B37      B38      B39      B40      B41      B42      B43      B44      B45      B46      B47      B48      B49      B50      B51      B52      B53      B54      B55      B56      B57      B58      B59      B60      B61      B62
successors2     B63      B64      B65      B66      B67      B68      B69      B70      B71      B72      B73      B74      B75      B76      B77      B78      B79      B80      B81      B82      B83      B84      B85      B86      B87      B88      B89      B90      B91      B92      B93      B94      B95      B96      B97      B98      B99      B100     B101     B102     B103     B104     B105     B106     B107     B108     B109     B110     B111     B112     B113     B114     B115     B116     B117     B118     B119     B120     B121     B122     B123     B124     B125
successors3     B126     B127     B128     B129     B130     B131     B132     B133     B134     B135     B136     B137     B138     B139     B140     B141     B142     B143     B144     B145     B146     B147     B148     B149     B150     B151     B152     B153     B154     B155     B156     B157     B158     B159     B160     B161     B162     B163     B164     B165     B166     B167     B168     B169     B170     B171     B172     B173     B174     B175     B176     B177     B178     B179     B180     B181     B182     B183     B184     B185     B186     B187     B188
successors4     B189     B190     B191     B192     B193     B194     B195     B196     B197     B198     B199     B200     B201     B202     B203     B204     B205     B206     B207     B208     B209     B210     B211     B212     B213     B214     B215     B216     B217     B218     B219     B220     B221     B222     B223     B224     B225     B226     B227     B228     B229     B230     B231     B232     B233     B234     B235     B236     B237     B238     B239     B240     B241     B242     B243     B244     B245     B246     B247     B248     B249     B250     B251
successors5     B252     B253     B254     B255     B256     B257     B258     B259     B260     B261     B262     B263     B264     B265     B266     B267     B268     B269     B270     B271     B272     B273     B274     B275     B276     B277     B278     B279     B280     B281     B282     B283     B284     B285     B286     B287     B288     B289     B290     B291     B292     B293     B294     B295     B296     B297     B298     B299     B300     B301     B302     B303     B304     B305     B306     B307     B308     B309     B310     B311     B312     B313     B314
successors6     B315     B316     B317     B318     B319     B320     B321     B322     B323     B324     B325     B326     B327     B328     B329     B330     B331     B332     B333     B334     B335     B336     B337     B338     B339     B340     B341     B342     B343     B344     B345     B346     B347     B348     B349     B350     B351     B352     B353     B354     B355     B356     B357     B358     B359     B360     B361     B362     B363     B364     B365     B366     B367     B368     B369     B370     B371     B372     B373     B374     B375     B376     B377
successors7     B378     B379     B380     B381     B382     B383     B384     B385     B386     B387     B388     B389     B390     B391     B392     B393     B394     B395     B396     B397     B398     B399     B400     B401     B402     B403     B404     B405     B406     B407     B408     B409     B410     B411     B412     B413     B414     B415     B416     B417     B418     B419     B420     B421     B422     B423     B424     B425     B426     B427     B428     B429     B430     B431     B432     B433     B434     B435     B436     B437     B438     B439     B440
successors8     B441     B442     B443     B444     B445     B446     B447     B448     B449     B450     B451     B452     B453     B454     B455     B456     B457     B458     B459     B460     B461     B462     B463     B464     B465     B466     B467     B468     B469     B470     B471     B472     B473     B474     B475     B476     B477     B478     B479     B480     B481     B482     B483     B484     B485     B486     B487     B488     B489     B490     B491     B492     B493     B494     B495     B496     B497     B498     B499     B500     B501     B502     B503
successors9     B504     B505     B506     B507     B508     B509     B510     B511     B512     B513     B514     B515     B516     B517     B518     B519     B520     B521     B522     B523     B524     B525     B526     B527     B528     B529     B530     B531     B532     B533     B534     B535     B536     B537     B538     B539     B540     B541     B542     B543     B544     B545     B546     B547     B548     B549     B550     B551     B552     B553     B554     B555     B556     B557     B558     B559     B560     B561     B562     B563     B564     B565     B566
successors10    B567     B568     B569     B570     B571     B572     B573     B574     B575     B576     B577     B578     B579     B580     B581     B582     B583     B584     B585     B586     B587     B588     B589     B590     B591     B592     B593     B594     B595     B596     B597     B598     B599     B600     B601     B602     B603     B604     B605     B606     B607     B608     B609     B610     B611     B612     B613     B614     B615     B616     B617     B618     B619     B620     B621     B622     B623     B624     B625     B626     B627     B628     B629
successors11    B630     B631     B632     B633     B634     B635     B636     B637     B638     B639     B640     B641     B642     B643     B644     B645     B646     B647     B648     B649     B650     B651     B652     B653     B654     B655     B656     B657     B658     B659     B660     B661     B662     B663     B664     B665     B666     B667     B668     B669     B670     B671     B672     B673     B674     B675     B676     B677     B678     B679     B680     B681     B682     B683     B684     B685     B686     B687     B688     B689     B690     B691     B692
successors12    B693     B694     B695     B696     B697     B698     B699     B700     B701     B702     B703     B704     B705     B706     B707     B708     B709     B710     B711     B712     B713     B714     B715     B716     B717     B718     B719     B720     B721     B722     B723     B724     B725     B726     B727     B728     B729     B730     B731     B732     B733     B734     B735     B736     B737     B738     B739     B740     B741     B742     B743     B744     B745     B746     B747     B748     B749     B750     B751     B752     B753     B754     B755
successors13    B756     B757     B758     B759     B760     B761     B762     B763     B764     B765     B766     B767     B768     B769     B770     B771     B772     B773     B774     B775     B776     B777     B778     B779     B780     B781     B782     B783     B784     B785     B786     B787     B788     B789     B790     B791     B792     B793     B794     B795     B796     B797     B798     B799     B800     B801     B802     B803     B804     B805     B806     B807     B808     B809     B810     B811     B812     B813     B814     B815     B816     B817     B818
successors14    B819     B820     B821     B822     B823     B824     B825     B826     B827     B828     B829     B830     B831     B832     B833     B834     B835     B836     B837     B838     B839     B840     B841     B842     B843     B844     B845     B846     B847     B848     B849     B850     B851     B852     B853     B854     B855     B856     B857     B858     B859     B860     B861     B862     B863     B864     B865     B866     B867     B868     B869     B870     B871     B872     B873     B874     B875     B876     B877     B878     B879     B880     B881
successors15    B882     B883     B884     B885     B886     B887     B888     B889     B890     B891     B892     B893     B894     B895     B896     B897     B898     B899     B900     B901     B902     B903     B904     B905     B906     B907     B908     B909     B910     B911     B912     B913     B914     B915     B916     B917     B918     B919     B920     B921     B922     B923     B924     B925     B926     B927     B928     B929     B930     B931     B932     B933     B934     B935     B936     B937     B938     B939     B940     B941     B942     B943     B944
successors16    B945     B946     B947     B948     B949     B950     B951     B952     B953     B954     B955     B956     B957     B958     B959     B960     B961     B962     B963     B964     B965     B966     B967     B968     B969     B970     B971     B972     B973     B974     B975     B976     B977     B978     B979     B980     B981     B982     B983     B984     B985     B986     B987     B988     B989     B990     B991     B992     B993     B994     B995     B996     B997     B998     B999     B1000    B1001    B1002    B1003    B1004    B1005    B1006    B1007
successors17    B1008    B1009    B1010    B1011    B1012    B1013    B1014    B1015    B1016    B1017    B1018    B1019    B1020    B1021    B1022    B1023    B1024    B1025    B1026    B1027    B1028    B1029    B1030    B1031    B1032    B1033    B1034    B1035    B1036    B1037    B1038    B1039    B1040    B1041    B1042    B1043    B1044    B1045    B1046    B1047    B1048    B1049    B1050    B1051    B1052    B1053    B1054    B1055    B1056    B1057    B1058    B1059    B1060    B1061    B1062    B1063    B1064    B1065    B1066    B1067    B1068    B1069    B1070
successors18    B1071    B1072    B1073    B1074    B1075    B1076    B1077    B1078    B1079    B1080    B1081    B1082    B1083    B1084    B1085    B1086    B1087    B1088    B1089    B1090    B1091    B1092    B1093    B1094    B1095    B1096    B1097    B1098    B1099    B1100    B1101    B1102    B1103    B1104    B1105    B1106    B1107    B1108    B1109    B1110    B1111    B1112    B1113    B1114    B1115    B1116    B1117    B1118    B1119    B1120    B1121    B1122    B1123    B1124    B1125    B1126    B1127    B1128    B1129    B1130    B1131    B1132    B1133
successors19    B1134    B1135    B1136    B1137    B1138    B1139    B1140    B1141    B1142    B1143    B1144    B1145    B1146    B1147    B1148    B1149    B1150    B1151    B1152    B1153    B1154    B1155    B1156    B1157    B1158    B1159    B1160    B1161    B1162    B1163    B1164    B1165    B1166    B1167    B1168    B1169    B1170    B1171    B1172    B1173    B1174    B1175    B1176    B1177    B1178    B1179    B1180    B1181    B1182    B1183    B1184    B1185    B1186    B1187    B1188    B1189    B1190    B1191    B1192    B1193    B1194    B1195    B1196
successors20    B1197    B1198    B1199    B1200    B1201    B1202    B1203    B1204    B1205    B1206    B1207    B1208    B1209    B1210    B1211    B1212    B1213    B1214    B1215    B1216    B1217    B1218    B1219    B1220    B1221    B1222    B1223    B1224    B1225    B1226    B1227    B1228    B1229    B1230    B1231    B1232    B1233    B1234    B1235    B1236    B1237    B1238    B1239    B1240    B1241    B1242    B1243    B1244    B1245    B1246    B1247    B1248    B1249    B1250    B1251    B1252    B1253    B1254    B1255    B1256    B1257    B1258    B1259
successors21    B1260    B1261    B1262    B1263    B1264    B1265    B1266    B1267    B1268    B1269    B1270    B1271    B1272    B1273    B1274    B1275    B1276    B1277    B1278    B1279    B1280    B1281    B1282    B1283    B1284    B1285    B1286    B1287    B1288    B1289    B1290    B1291    B1292    B1293    B1294    B1295    B1296    B1297    B1298    B1299    B1300    B1301    B1302    B1303    B1304    B1305    B1306    B1307    B1308    B1309    B1310    B1311    B1312    B1313    B1314    B1315    B1316    B1317    B1318    B1319    B1320    B1321    B1322
successors22    B1323    B1324    B1325    B1326    B1327    B1328    B1329    B1330    B1331    B1332    B1333    B1334    B1335    B1336    B1337    B1338    B1339    B1340    B1341    B1342    B1343    B1344    B1345    B1346    B1347    B1348    B1349    B1350    B1351    B1352    B1353    B1354    B1355    B1356    B1357    B1358    B1359    B1360    B1361    B1362    B1363    B1364    B1365    B1366    B1367    B1368    B1369    B1370    B1371    B1372    B1373    B1374    B1375    B1376    B1377    B1378    B1379    B1380    B1381    B1382    B1383    B1384    B1385
successors23    B1386    B1387    B1388    B1389    B1390    B1391    B1392    B1393    B1394    B1395    B1396    B1397    B1398    B1399    B1400    B1401    B1402    B1403    B1404    B1405    B1406    B1407    B1408    B1409    B1410    B1411    B1412    B1413    B1414    B1415    B1416    B1417    B1418    B1419    B1420    B1421    B1422    B1423    B1424    B1425    B1426    B1427    B1428    B1429    B1430    B1431    B1432    B1433    B1434    B1435    B1436    B1437    B1438    B1439    B1440    B1441    B1442    B1443    B1444    B1445    B1446    B1447    B1448
successors24    B1449    B1450    B1451    B1452    B1453    B1454    B1455    B1456    B1457    B1458    B1459    B1460    B1461    B1462    B1463    B1464    B1465    B1466    B1467    B1468    B1469    B1470    B1471    B1472    B1473    B1474    B1475    B1476    B1477    B1478    B1479    B1480    B1481    B1482    B1483    B1484    B1485    B1486    B1487    B1488    B1489    B1490    B1491    B1492    B1493    B1494    B1495    B1496    B1497    B1498    B1499    B1500    B1501    B1502    B1503    B1504    B1505    B1506    B1507    B1508    B1509    B1510    B1511
successors25    B1512    B1513    B1514    B1515    B1516    B1517    B1518    B1519    B1520    B1521    B1522    B1523    B1524    B1525    B1526    B1527    B1528    B1529    B1530    B1531    B1532    B1533    B1534    B1535    B1536    B1537    B1538    B1539    B1540    B1541    B1542    B1543    B1544    B1545    B1546    B1547    B1548    B1549    B1550    B1551    B1552    B1553    B1554    B1555    B1556    B1557    B1558    B1559    B1560    B1561    B1562    B1563    B1564    B1565    B1566    B1567    B1568    B1569    B1570    B1571    B1572    B1573    B1574
successors26    B1575    B1576    B1577    B1578    B1579    B1580    B1581    B1582    B1583    B1584    B1585    B1586    B1587    B1588    B1589    B1590    B1591    B1592    B1593    B1594    B1595    B1596    B1597    B1598    B1599    B1600    B1601    B1602    B1603    B1604    B1605    B1606    B1607    B1608    B1609    B1610    B1611    B1612    B1613    B1614    B1615    B1616    B1617    B1618    B1619    B1620    B1621    B1622    B1623    B1624    B1625    B1626    B1627    B1628    B1629    B1630    B1631    B1632    B1633    B1634    B1635    B1636    B1637
successors27    B1638    B1639    B1640    B1641    B1642    B1643    B1644    B1645    B1646    B1647    B1648    B1649    B1650    B1651    B1652    B1653    B1654    B1655    B1656    B1657    B1658    B1659    B1660    B1661    B1662    B1663    B1664    B1665    B1666    B1667    B1668    B1669    B1670    B1671    B1672    B1673    B1674    B1675    B1676    B1677    B1678    B1679    B1680    B1681    B1682    B1683    B1684    B1685    B1686    B1687    B1688    B1689    B1690    B1691    B1692    B1693    B1694    B1695    B1696    B1697    B1698    B1699    B1700
successors28    B1701    B1702    B1703    B1704    B1705    B1706    B1707    B1708    B1709    B1710    B1711    B1712    B1713    B1714    B1715    B1716    B1717    B1718    B1719    B1720    B1721    B1722    B1723    B1724    B1725    B1726    B1727    B1728    B1729    B1730    B1731    B1732    B1733    B1734    B1735    B1736    B1737    B1738    B1739    B1740    B1741    B1742    B1743    B1744    B1745    B1746    B1747    B1748    B1749    B1750    B1751    B1752    B1753    B1754    B1755    B1756    B1757    B1758    B1759    B1760    B1761    B1762    B1763
successors29    B1764    B1765    B1766    B1767    B1768    B1769    B1770    B1771    B1772    B1773    B1774    B1775    B1776    B1777    B1778    B1779    B1780    B1781    B1782    B1783    B1784    B1785    B1786    B1787    B1788    B1789    B1790    B1791    B1792    B1793    B1794    B1795    B1796    B1797    B1798    B1799    B1800    B1801    B1802    B1803    B1804    B1805    B1806    B1807    B1808    B1809    B1810    B1811    B1812    B1813    B1814    B1815    B1816    B1817    B1818    B1819    B1820    B1821    B1822    B1823    B1824    B1825    B1826
successors30    B1827    B1828    B1829    B1830    B1831    B1832    B1833    B1834    B1835    B1836    B1837    B1838    B1839    B1840    B1841    B1842    B1843    B1844    B1845    B1846    B1847    B1848    B1849    B1850    B1851    B1852    B1853    B1854    B1855    B1856    B1857    B1858    B1859    B1860    B1861    B1862    B1863    B1864    B1865    B1866    B1867    B1868    B1869    B1870    B1871    B1872    B1873    B1874    B1875    B1876    B1877    B1878    B1879    B1880    B1881    B1882    B1883    B1884    B1885    B1886    B1887    B1888    B1889
successors31    B1890    B1891    B1892    B1893    B1894    B1895    B1896    B1897    B1898    B1899    B1900    B1901    B1902    B1903    B1904    B1905    B1906    B1907    B1908    B1909    B1910    B1911    B1912    B1913    B1914    B1915    B1916    B1917    B1918    B1919    B1920    B1921    B1922    B1923    B1924    B1925    B1926    B1927    B1928    B1929    B1930    B1931    B1932    B1933    B1934    B1935    B1936    B1937    B1938    B1939    B1940    B1941    B1942    B1943    B1944    B1945    B1946    B1947    B1948    B1949    B1950    B1951    B1952
successors32    B1953    B1954    B1955    B1956    B1957    B1958    B1959    B1960    B1961    B1962    B1963    B1964    B1965    B1966    B1967    B1968    B1969    B1970    B1971    B1972    B1973    B1974    B1975    B1976    B1977    B1978    B1979    B1980    B1981    B1982    B1983    B1984    B1985    B1986    B1987    B1988    B1989    B1990    B1991    B1992    B1993    B1994    B1995    B1996    B1997    B1998    B1999    B2000    B2001    B2002    B2003    B2004    B2005    B2006    B2007    B2008    B2009    B2010    B2011    B2012    B2013    B2014    B2015
successors33    B2016    B2017    B2018    B2019    B2020    B2021    B2022    B2023    B2024    B2025    B2026    B2027    B2028    B2029    B2030    B2031    B2032    B2033    B2034    B2035    B2036    B2037    B2038    B2039    B2040    B2041    B2042    B2043    B2044    B2045    B2046    B2047    B2048    B2049    B2050    B2051    B2052    B2053    B2054    B2055    B2056    B2057    B2058    B2059    B2060    B2061    B2062    B2063    B2064    B2065    B2066    B2067    B2068    B2069    B2070    B2071    B2072    B2073    B2074    B2075    B2076    B2077    B2078
successors34    B2079    B2080    B2081    B2082    B2083    B2084    B2085    B2086    B2087    B2088    B2089    B2090    B2091    B2092    B2093    B2094    B2095    B2096    B2097    B2098    B2099    B2100    B2101    B2102    B2103    B2104    B2105    B2106    B2107    B2108    B2109    B2110    B2111    B2112    B2113    B2114    B2115    B2116    B2117    B2118    B2119    B2120    B2121    B2122    B2123    B2124    B2125    B2126    B2127    B2128    B2129    B2130    B2131    B2132    B2133    B2134    B2135    B2136    B2137    B2138    B2139    B2140    B2141
successors35    B2142    B2143    B2144    B2145    B2146    B2147    B2148    B2149    B2150    B2151    B2152    B2153    B2154    B2155    B2156    B2157    B2158    B2159    B2160    B2161    B2162    B2163    B2164    B2165    B2166    B2167    B2168    B2169    B2170    B2171    B2172    B2173    B2174    B2175    B2176    B2177    B2178    B2179    B2180    B2181    B2182    B2183    B2184    B2185    B2186    B2187    B2188    B2189    B2190    B2191    B2192    B2193    B2194    B2195    B2196    B2197    B2198    B2199    B2200    B2201    B2202    B2203    B2204
successors36    B2205    B2206    B2207    B2208    B2209    B2210    B2211    B2212    B2213    B2214    B2215    B2216    B2217    B2218    B2219    B2220    B2221    B2222    B2223    B2224    B2225    B2226    B2227    B2228    B2229    B2230    B2231    B2232    B2233    B2234    B2235    B2236    B2237    B2238    B2239    B2240    B2241    B2242    B2243    B2244    B2245    B2246    B2247    B2248    B2249    B2250    B2251    B2252    B2253    B2254    B2255    B2256    B2257    B2258    B2259    B2260    B2261    B2262    B2263    B2264    B2265    B2266    B2267
successors37    B2268    B2269    B2270    B2271    B2272    B2273    B2274    B2275    B2276    B2277    B2278    B2279    B2280    B2281    B2282    B2283    B2284    B2285    B2286    B2287    B2288    B2289    B2290    B2291    B2292    B2293    B2294    B2295    B2296    B2297    B2298    B2299    B2300    B2301    B2302    B2303    B2304    B2305    B2306    B2307    B2308    B2309    B2310    B2311    B2312    B2313    B2314    B2315    B2316    B2317    B2318    B2319    B2320    B2321    B2322    B2323    B2324    B2325    B2326    B2327    B2328    B2329    B2330
successors38    B2331    B2332    B2333    B2334    B2335    B2336    B2337    B2338    B2339    B2340    B2341    B2342    B2343    B2344    B2345    B2346    B2347    B2348    B2349    B2350    B2351    B2352    B2353    B2354    B2355    B2356    B2357    B2358    B2359    B2360    B2361    B2362    B2363    B2364    B2365    B2366    B2367    B2368    B2369    B2370    B2371    B2372    B2373    B2374    B2375    B2376    B2377    B2378    B2379    B2380    B2381    B2382    B2383    B2384    B2385    B2386    B2387    B2388    B2389    B2390    B2391    B2392    B2393
successors39    B2394    B2395    B2396    B2397    B2398    B2399    B2400    B2401    B2402    B2403    B2404    B2405    B2406    B2407    B2408    B2409    B2410    B2411    B2412    B2413    B2414    B2415    B2416    B2417    B2418    B2419    B2420    B2421    B2422    B2423    B2424    B2425    B2426    B2427    B2428    B2429    B2430    B2431    B2432    B2433    B2434    B2435    B2436    B2437    B2438    B2439    B2440    B2441    B2442    B2443    B2444    B2445    B2446    B2447    B2448    B2449    B2450    B2451    B2452    B2453    B2454    B2455    B2456
successors40    B2457    B2458    B2459    B2460    B2461    B2462    B2463    B2464    B2465    B2466    B2467    B2468    B2469    B2470    B2471    B2472    B2473    B2474    B2475    B2476    B2477    B2478    B2479    B2480    B2481    B2482    B2483    B2484    B2485    B2486    B2487    B2488    B2489    B2490    B2491    B2492    B2493    B2494    B2495    B2496    B2497    B2498    B2499    B2500    B2501    B2502    B2503    B2504    B2505    B2506    B2507    B2508    B2509    B2510    B2511    B2512    B2513    B2514    B2515    B2516    B2517    B2518    B2519
successors41    B2520    B2521    B2522    B2523    B2524    B2525    B2526    B2527    B2528    B2529    B2530    B2531    B2532    B2533    B2534    B2535    B2536    B2537    B2538    B2539    B2540    B2541    B2542    B2543    B2544    B2545    B2546    B2547    B2548    B2549    B2550    B2551    B2552    B2553    B2554    B2555    B2556    B2557    B2558    B2559    B2560    B2561    B2562    B2563    B2564    B2565    B2566    B2567    B2568    B2569    B2570    B2571    B2572    B2573    B2574    B2575    B2576    B2577    B2578    B2579    B2580    B2581    B2582
successors42    B2583    B2584    B2585    B2586    B2587    B2588    B2589    B2590    B2591    B2592    B2593    B2594    B2595    B2596    B2597    B2598    B2599    B2600    B2601    B2602    B2603    B2604    B2605    B2606    B2607    B2608    B2609    B2610    B2611    B2612    B2613    B2614    B2615    B2616    B2617    B2618    B2619    B2620    B2621    B2622    B2623    B2624    B2625    B2626    B2627    B2628    B2629    B2630    B2631    B2632    B2633    B2634    B2635    B2636    B2637    B2638    B2639    B2640    B2641    B2642    B2643    B2644    B2645
successors43    B2646    B2647    B2648    B2649    B2650    B2651    B2652    B2653    B2654    B2655    B2656    B2657    B2658    B2659    B2660    B2661    B2662    B2663    B2664    B2665    B2666    B2667    B2668    B2669    B2670    B2671    B2672    B2673    B2674    B2675    B2676    B2677    B2678    B2679    B2680    B2681    B2682    B2683    B2684    B2685    B2686    B2687    B2688    B2689    B2690    B2691    B2692    B2693    B2694    B2695    B2696    B2697    B2698    B2699    B2700    B2701    B2702    B2703    B2704    B2705    B2706    B2707    B2708
successors44    B2709    B2710    B2711    B2712    B2713    B2714    B2715    B2716    B2717    B2718    B2719    B2720    B2721    B2722    B2723    B2724    B2725    B2726    B2727    B2728    B2729    B2730    B2731    B2732    B2733    B2734    B2735    B2736    B2737    B2738    B2739    B2740    B2741    B2742    B2743    B2744    B2745    B2746    B2747    B2748    B2749    B2750    B2751    B2752    B2753    B2754    B2755    B2756    B2757    B2758    B2759    B2760    B2761    B2762    B2763    B2764    B2765    B2766    B2767    B2768    B2769    B2770    B2771
successors45    B2772    B2773    B2774    B2775    B2776    B2777    B2778    B2779    B2780    B2781    B2782    B2783    B2784    B2785    B2786    B2787    B2788    B2789    B2790    B2791    B2792    B2793    B2794    B2795    B2796    B2797    B2798    B2799    B2800    B2801    B2802    B2803    B2804    B2805    B2806    B2807    B2808    B2809    B2810    B2811    B2812    B2813    B2814    B2815    B2816    B2817    B2818    B2819    B2820    B2821    B2822    B2823    B2824    B2825    B2826    B2827    B2828    B2829    B2830    B2831    B2832    B2833    B2834
successors46    B2835    B2836    B2837    B2838    B2839    B2840    B2841    B2842    B2843    B2844    B2845    B2846    B2847    B2848    B2849    B2850    B2851    B2852    B2853    B2854    B2855    B2856    B2857    B2858    B2859    B2860    B2861    B2862    B2863    B2864    B2865    B2866    B2867    B2868    B2869    B2870    B2871    B2872    B2873    B2874    B2875    B2876    B2877    B2878    B2879    B2880    B2881    B2882    B2883    B2884    B2885    B2886    B2887    B2888    B2889    B2890    B2891    B2892    B2893    B2894    B2895    B2896    B2897
successors47    B2898    B2899    B2900    B2901    B2902    B2903    B2904    B2905    B2906    B2907    B2908    B2909    B2910    B2911    B2912    B2913    B2914    B2915    B2916    B2917    B2918    B2919    B2920    B2921    B2922    B2923    B2924    B2925    B2926    B2927    B2928    B2929    B2930    B2931    B2932    B2933    B2934    B2935    B2936    B2937    B2938    B2939    B2940    B2941    B2942    B2943    B2944    B2945    B2946    B2947    B2948    B2949    B2950    B2951    B2952    B2953    B2954    B2955    B2956    B2957    B2958    B2959    B2960
successors48    B2961    B2962    B2963    B2964    B2965    B2966    B2967    B2968    B2969    B2970    B2971    B2972    B2973    B2974    B2975    B2976    B2977    B2978    B2979    B2980    B2981    B2982    B2983    B2984    B2985    B2986    B2987    B2988    B2989    B2990    B2991    B2992    B2993    B2994    B2995    B2996    B2997    B2998    B2999    B3000    B3001    B3002    B3003    B3004    B3005    B3006    B3007    B3008    B3009    B3010    B3011    B3012    B3013    B3014    B3015    B3016    B3017    B3018    B3019    B3020    B3021    B3022    B3023
successors49    B3024    B3025    B3026    B3027    B3028    B3029    B3030    B3031    B3032    B3033    B3034    B3035    B3036    B3037    B3038    B3039    B3040    B3041    B3042    B3043    B3044    B3045    B3046    B3047    B3048    B3049    B3050    B3051    B3052    B3053    B3054    B3055    B3056    B3057    B3058    B3059    B3060    B3061    B3062    B3063    B3064    B3065    B3066    B3067    B3068    B3069    B3070    B3071    B3072    B3073    B3074    B3075    B3076    B3077    B3078    B3079    B3080    B3081    B3082    B3083    B3084    B3085    B3086
successors50    B3087    B3088    B3089    B3090    B3091    B3092    B3093    B3094    B3095    B3096    B3097    B3098    B3099    B3100    B3101    B3102    B3103    B3104    B3105    B3106    B3107    B3108    B3109    B3110    B3111    B3112    B3113    B3114    B3115    B3116    B3117    B3118    B3119    B3120    B3121    B3122    B3123    B3124    B3125    B3126    B3127    B3128    B3129    B3130    B3131    B3132    B3133    B3134    B3135    B3136    B3137    B3138    B3139    B3140    B3141    B3142    B3143    B3144    B3145    B3146    B3147    B3148    B3149
successors51    B3150    B3151    B3152    B3153    B3154    B3155    B3156    B3157    B3158    B3159    B3160    B3161    B3162    B3163    B3164    B3165    B3166    B3167    B3168    B3169    B3170    B3171    B3172    B3173    B3174    B3175    B3176    B3177    B3178    B3179    B3180    B3181    B3182    B3183    B3184    B3185    B3186    B3187    B3188    B3189    B3190    B3191    B3192    B3193    B3194    B3195    B3196    B3197    B3198    B3199    B3200    B3201    B3202    B3203    B3204    B3205    B3206    B3207    B3208    B3209    B3210    B3211    B3212
successors52    B3213    B3214    B3215    B3216    B3217    B3218    B3219    B3220    B3221    B3222    B3223    B3224    B3225    B3226    B3227    B3228    B3229    B3230    B3231    B3232    B3233    B3234    B3235    B3236    B3237    B3238    B3239    B3240    B3241    B3242    B3243    B3244    B3245    B3246    B3247    B3248    B3249    B3250    B3251    B3252    B3253    B3254    B3255    B3256    B3257    B3258    B3259    B3260    B3261    B3262    B3263    B3264    B3265    B3266    B3267    B3268    B3269    B3270    B3271    B3272    B3273    B3274    B3275
successors53    B3276    B3277    B3278    B3279    B3280    B3281    B3282    B3283    B3284    B3285    B3286    B3287    B3288    B3289    B3290    B3291    B3292    B3293    B3294    B3295    B3296    B3297    B3298    B3299    B3300    B3301    B3302    B3303    B3304    B3305    B3306    B3307    B3308    B3309    B3310    B3311    B3312    B3313    B3314    B3315    B3316    B3317    B3318    B3319    B3320    B3321    B3322    B3323    B3324    B3325    B3326    B3327    B3328    B3329    B3330    B3331    B3332    B3333    B3334    B3335    B3336    B3337    B3338
successors54    B3339    B3340    B3341    B3342    B3343    B3344    B3345    B3346    B3347    B3348    B3349    B3350    B3351    B3352    B3353    B3354    B3355    B3356    B3357    B3358    B3359    B3360    B3361    B3362    B3363    B3364    B3365    B3366    B3367    B3368    B3369    B3370    B3371    B3372    B3373    B3374    B3375    B3376    B3377    B3378    B3379    B3380    B3381    B3382    B3383    B3384    B3385    B3386    B3387    B3388    B3389    B3390    B3391    B3392    B3393    B3394    B3395    B3396    B3397    B3398    B3399    B3400    B3401
successors55    B3402    B3403    B3404    B3405    B3406    B3407    B3408    B3409    B3410    B3411    B3412    B3413    B3414    B3415    B3416    B3417    B3418    B3419    B3420    B3421    B3422    B3423    B3424    B3425    B3426    B3427    B3428    B3429    B3430    B3431    B3432    B3433    B3434    B3435    B3436    B3437    B3438    B3439    B3440    B3441    B3442    B3443    B3444    B3445    B3446    B3447    B3448    B3449    B3450    B3451    B3452    B3453    B3454    B3455    B3456    B3457    B3458    B3459    B3460    B3461    B3462    B3463    B3464
Each senator will have a B-citizen successor close to each high court allowing them to have a representative physically present dun important trials.ring important trials.

Lower courts
Since the senators will not have time to try every individual case there will be a need for lower courts to try case and here B-citizens come into play since it allows senators to have representatives to be directly present.

You can for example have a case tried by the first successors to court0 (B0, B7, B14, B21, B28, B35, B42, B49, B56) which would then form court7.

In order to hold a proper official trial you need to have 5 people who are C0 or higher (and at least one B-citizen) in the same location who are willing to participate in the trial and then you need to have the trial approved via a vote in one of the high courts where the vote for the highest ranked successor for each senator is counted.

Alternatively you can force a trial via a full senate vote and since the senate has absolute power the senate can force people to participate as judges in said trial.

Judges vs jury members
Jury members act as a reserve when there are enough judges for the trial. You count as a judge if you are the highest ranked successor for a senator among the people participating in a trial, otherwise you are merely a member of the jury which gives you less power.

Only the original people who were selected by the high court can be members of the jury. All other people must be judges to participate in the trial.

Jury members are only used to make the total up to 9, there is a hierarchy among the jury members that determine who is going to remain as a voting member if someone joins as a judge. The hierarchy among the jury members will also decide draws if no judge voted. The hierarchy among C0 citizen will be pre-dermined by the high court that initiated the trial and are ranked always ranked below the B citizens.

Appeals
Only A-citizens will be able to request that the same case is tried again once it have been finalized in an official trial.

Sometimes a new trial might be needed to determine later consequences (such as whether or not someone will be allowed to be released early). The stipulations for this will be determined by the court based on the general rules and guidelines set by the senate.

Being tried for a crime will not grant you any extra rights with regard to appeals. Instead your ability to contact authorities regarding an ongoing case will be determined by your citizenship-class.

The senators will have private channels where the communicate with each other.

Senators will not be allowed any private communication. everything will have to go via official channels and systems will be put in place to prioritize people of higher citizenships.

People who are or have been jury members will of course have the ability to easily notify other's if they think they trial isn't properly conducted, they can ask more people to join as judges or ask the senator they represent (if any) to intervene. This will mostly be the case for trials not taken over by senators.

No right to a lawyer
Instead of having an adversarial battles between prosecutors and lawyers people will have to defend themselves without any help besides what they can get from judges and jury members.

But chances are that someone among those that got selected for the trial (or join later) will defend you if you are actually innocent.

Handling monetary disputes
Monetary compensation with regard to crimes will be handled by the judges and any jury members that happens to handle the case. This is not something you will have to actively pursue if you have become victim of a crime, you might have to report it (if nobody else does) and you might be asked to testify but that's about it.

But there can also be monetary disputes with regard to contracts/agreements but then there must be some agreement agreement that is legally enforceable. Here a big focus should be to keep the cost of these trials down, you can have something similar to "small claim courts" for most of these disputes.

Unofficial trials
A proper official trial will not be needed for most decisions. If no official trial was started the matter will be determined by what the highest ranked successors who voted if said decision was supported by at least 1 senator or at least 5 highest ranked successors, otherwise it will be determined by what most C0 citizens voted for, if it ends in a draw it will determined by the highest ranked C0 citizen (such as A0) and if only C0 voted (no A or B) the last vote will be ignored.

Of course what starts as an official trial can be transformed into an official trial via a vote in the a high court.

An unofficial trial can for example be used when a female wants an abortion, You can have a C0 citizen at every hospital to handle these matters.

Note that A and B citizens also technically have a C0 citizenship.

Exchanging members between high courts
There can be significant differences between high courts in terms of policy, if that becomes too much of a problem a senate vote can be held to exchange some members to make the different high courts more similar in what policies they pursue.

Exchanging members can also be valuable in terms of allowing senators to take their experiences with them to a new high court. Maybe a highly competent senator is no longer needed in one high court due to doing too good of a job and then he/she can continue doing valuable work in some other high court.
 
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