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Nvidia is about to release GPU:s that will be significantly better than their old GPUs and also cheaper, this seems good until you start looking at the details.
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MODEL cudacores memory      price
3090  10496     24GB GDDR6X 1499$
3080  8704      10GB GDDR6X 699$
3070  5888      8GB  GDDR6  499$
The first obvious issue is that in order to get a good amount of VRAM you need to go all the way up to the overprized RTX 3090 (that might not even fit inside your computer), they are clearly intentionally crippleling the cheaper models since they want people to get the 3090.

They are also overprizing the 3070, it's actually significantly worse performance/$ than the RTX 3080

Another issue is that none of these cards support displayport 2.0 and this may cause issue for you in the future if you want to get a new monitor.

Some people have speculating that nvidia is holding back models (like 3080ti) awaiting what "big navi" from AMD and this doesn't look too good, we shouldn't expect too much from AMD in terms of performance, they might however pressure nvidia to lower the price of the RTX 3070.

GDDR6 ram is actually cheap (less than 10$/GB) and given the fact that RTX 3080 with GDDR6X actually offer more cudacores/$ it's clear NVIDIA is ripping people off with the RTX 3090.
 

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NVME drives
The sata 3 interface is limited to about 600MB/s, to get more than that you need a significantly faster interface such as 4x PCI-E 4.0

Currently this doesn't make a big real-world difference but NVME drives are not actually that much more expensive than sata-SSD drives, the issue is that you need a motherboard to install them in.

To get the best sequential speeds you need the PCI-E 4.0 interface but then you need an expensive motherboard like an X570 variant, unfortunately current gen4 drives are not actually that great (some gen3 drives are arguably better) so it can be argued X570 motherboards were a waste of time if it wasn't for the fact that new GPUs also benefit from PCI-E 4.0

An upcoming drive is the sabrent rocket 4 plus which will actually fully take advantage of PCI-E 4 (x4), at least in some sequential read/write scenarios.
 

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Why people will buy RTX 3070
People are simply stupid, they are incapable or rational independent though. They buy it because it's in their price-range instead of actually looking at what they get for their money relative to the competition. People are ignoring the fact that better hardware will last longer and thus save you money.

Here are some comments by what seems to be low IQ nvidia fanboys:

Omg really?! Dude it’s faster than 2080 and i think a Ti for $499. It uses 3rd Tensors cores and 2nd Gen Ray Tracings Cores like other 30s. That’s why called 3070 because it is slower.
Most people don't have 700 bucks to spend on a gpu. The 3070 is the budget option. Sure it may not be as good as a 3080 or 3090, but it is better and way more cheaper than a 2080ti. The 3070 is great value.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/il979k/rtx_3070_is_bad_value/

Notice how the post got downvoted into oblivion despite being factually true, people do not want to deal with reality as it is, they want to live in their alternate fantasy reality.
 

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Why it's a bad idea to built a computer now
While there will always be better things to wait for there are instances where it's really bad timing to buy.

2080ti is significantly more expensive than what 3080 will cost while only delivering about 60% of the performance so in a situation like that you really should wait if you need a good GPU.

You can still buy an X570 (AM4) motherboard now and temporarily use an r5 3600 CPU (cheap and decent) while waiting for better AMD CPU:s but that is a gamble and you lock yourself to upgrading to zen 3. You can also buy DDR4 ram now, it should drop in price soon but if you need a computer now then you have to take that hit.

There is also the issue of no really good gen4 NVME drive being available.

3090 will actually be a really good GPU, the only issues with it is the high price and no displayport 2.0 support (unless it has it unofficially). You also need to make sure you can actually fit it inside your case. Otherwise if you want an acceptable amount of VRAM you need to wait until nvidia releases cheaper models with more than 10GB of ram (RTX 3070ti 16GB, RTX 3080 20GB, etc).

Getting your hands on 3080/3090 might be challanging for a while which might also make it more difficult to complete your build eve if you are willing to temporarily use non-ideal components.

Used cards have significantly dropped in value but they are still overprized

 

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PC monitors
When buying a PC monitor you should make sure to get a refresh-rate of at least 120hz and a resolution of at least 2650*1440

There are 1440p monitors that support 240hz, the only issue here is that even the best CPU will often limit you to significantly lower framerate than 240hz, sometimes you cannot even reach 120fps and then lowering settings will not help since that only decreases the load on the GPU.

So a 2160p144 monitor will actually utilize your system better in demanding titles.

For less CPU-intensive tasks 1440p240 is better.

For highly competitive games 1080p360 might be better than 1440p240 but this is only when you can actually get more than 240fps in the game.

One issue with 240hz+ monitors is that then you have to accept having a TN panel instead of IPS panel, at least for now (may change later this year)

https://www.240hzmonitors.com/best-1440p-240hz-monitor/
 

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Can you upgrade?
With PC you will typically be able to upgrade and have it technically work.Unfortunatily one exception is CPU and motherboard where you often have to replace both, zen3 will be the last for AM4.

If your power supply isn't capable enough then you will not be able to push your components to the max, if it's really weak like 400W for 3950x+3090 then you can still make it work but you might have to reduce the voltage for the GPU.

You may also run into bottleneck, this means that for a while (until you do another upgrade) you will not take full usage of the compontent you bought, currently no CPU is really suitable for RTX 3090 and 1440p240 so you have to wait and upgrade later to take better usage of it.
 

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Do not buy into the hype
Wait for independent benchmarks. Be very critical of claims made by companies like nvidia.

When nvidia say "3070 is better than 2080ti" they are lying to you, its not better other than maybe slighly more energy efficient and a few features you do not need at all.



Remember bulldozer?
amd hyped it up a lot but once it launched it was a total disaster.

So you would have been better off just buying sandy bridge e instead of waiting for what wasn't a better CPU, this illustrates the risk you take when waiting for new hardware, you miss out on having a better system while waiting for what's just another disappointment.
 

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Waiting for new hardware often isn't worth it
Even when a new product isn't disappointing you will still miss out on having a better system until said product is out, often it turns out waiting wasn't worth it.

When i switched to the AMD X570 platform i considered getting a 2TB nvme drive but i decided that i could wait for drives that took better use of the pci-e 4.0 interface, still 9 months later there still isn't a better drive out there, my SSDs are almost full, current gen4 drives hasn't dropped much in price at all.

There will always be new products on the way, if you find a product you are happy with just buy that now (if you are ok with the price). For some people buying the 3090 now makes sense since for them waiting for a worse (but significantly cheaper) 3080ti (that may never materialize) isn't worth it for them, they just want the best performance now.
 

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Will 3090 remain on top?
A stronger GPU will very likely be released as a quadro, the price however will be very high (over 5000$), they might however also release a consumer version in the unlikely event AMD somehow manages to even beat the 3090.


It's likely the 3090 will lack a proper nvlink connection, nvidia wants to you buy (far more expensive) quadros instead.
 

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Phison E18
Recently Samsung 980 pro was released but performance was underwhelming. Drives based on the Phison E18 controller are likely to perform significantly better. In the most recent preview the controller reached 7381MB/s

tweaktown.com/news/75810/phison-e18-controller-exclusive-mind-blowing-7-4gb-sec-read-speeds/index.html

Random performance is also really strong

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/exclusive-phisons-e18-nvme-ssd-controller-hits-12-million-iops

Earlier results were also good (when the controller was less developed):

tomshardware.com/news/phisons-new-e18-ssd-controller-rivals-samsung-980-pro-with-7-gbps-of-throughput

Chris Ramseyer wrote:

Coming from a forum background I wanted to share some of the first tests on the upcoming E18 controller. This was the first firmware without any optimizations so don't sweat the fine details. We are still working on it. As you can imagine, there will be hundreds of hours put into tuning the controller for the best performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/iwko0h/whats_up_with_phison_e18/

Chris Ramseyer wrote:

Just ask me, lol. As we get closer I can do an AMA or something.

This is where we are right now. There was a CDM screenshot released with the very first firmware. I'm testing now with the second firmware (internal release). The second FW brings some optimizations so the performance increases across the board.
E18 will ship with fast TLC.

Expect another performance "leak" either on Friday or early next week.

CR - Technical Marketing Manager, Phison
 

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If future proofing futile?
While it is true that eventually a product will break or become obsolete there is still a massive difference in how long a product will remain useful.

Generally the stronger a product is at launch the longer it will take for the product to become obsolete.

The 12 year old X5675 is still viable for gaming today


I7-3930K that came later (Q4 2011) also holds up ok today 9 years later when overclocked.

If however a CPU is bad at launch it will be even worse in the future, any issues it has now will become even worse as games become more demanding.


Even if you end up upgrading to something better later you will still benefit from a product that holds up since then you will get more for it when you sell it. GPUs like the GTX 1080 still hold their value relatively well due to lack of progress in the GPU space.

The life-spam of computer hardware is increasing, it's becoming increasingly hard for semiconductor companies to push out more performance, therefore it's easier to justify spending a significant amount of money buying good hardware that will last.
 

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Zen 3
New AMD cpu:s will be available in november

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The ryzen 7 5800x will be insanely overprized but you do want more than 6 cores.

If you want good performance soon go for ryzen 9 5900x or 5950x.

Or you can wait for intel rocket lake or zen 4.
 

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nvidia to counter with 3070ti
Lately big navi has shown a lot of promise but then out of nowhere it was leaked that nvidia was cancel the 3070 and 3080 models with double the memory


this of course didn't make any sense unless they are going to counter with something even stronger

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-preps-new-geforce-rtx-30-ga102-graphics-card-tackle-amd-radeon-rx-6800/

https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1319578022781964288

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Model  cudacores memory         bus
3090   10496     24GB gddr6x    384-bit
3080   8704      10GB gddr6x    320-bit
3070ti 7424      10GB gddr6x ?  320-bit
3070   5888      8GB  gddr6     256-bit
3060ti 4864      8GB  gddr6     256-bit
So the 3070ti would simply be a cut down 3080, instead of throwing away defective GPUs nvidia will disable defective parts of the circuit and sell it as a cheaper version.

We can also expect a 3080ti to launch, it would probably be close to a 3090 and be far cheaper. Some people have claimed that a 3080ti would make 3090 pointless but nvidia could fix that by giving 3090 (and not 3080ti) professional driver support (like real titans) alternatively they could simply keep 3090 as an overprized GPU for people insisting on getting the most powerful GPU on the market.

The 3070 will be overprized relative to AMD if they launch it at 500$ but if they instead give us 3070ti for 500$ that will be good value.
 
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