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Nvidia is about to release GPU:s that will be significantly better than their old GPUs and also cheaper, this seems good until you start looking at the details.
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MODEL cudacores memory      price
3090  10496     24GB GDDR6X 1499$
3080  8704      10GB GDDR6X 699$
3070  5888      8GB  GDDR6  499$
The first obvious issue is that in order to get a good amount of VRAM you need to go all the way up to the overprized RTX 3090 (that might not even fit inside your computer), they are clearly intentionally crippleling the cheaper models since they want people to get the 3090.

They are also overprizing the 3070, it's actually significantly worse performance/$ than the RTX 3080

Another issue is that none of these cards support displayport 2.0 and this may cause issue for you in the future if you want to get a new monitor.

Some people have speculating that nvidia is holding back models (like 3080ti) awaiting what "big navi" from AMD and this doesn't look too good, we shouldn't expect too much from AMD in terms of performance, they might however pressure nvidia to lower the price of the RTX 3070.

GDDR6 ram is actually cheap (less than 10$/GB) and given the fact that RTX 3080 with GDDR6X actually offer more cudacores/$ it's clear NVIDIA is ripping people off with the RTX 3090.
 

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NVME drives
The sata 3 interface is limited to about 600MB/s, to get more than that you need a significantly faster interface such as 4x PCI-E 4.0

Currently this doesn't make a big real-world difference but NVME drives are not actually that much more expensive than sata-SSD drives, the issue is that you need a motherboard to install them in.

To get the best sequential speeds you need the PCI-E 4.0 interface but then you need an expensive motherboard like an X570 variant, unfortunately current gen4 drives are not actually that great (some gen3 drives are arguably better) so it can be argued X570 motherboards were a waste of time if it wasn't for the fact that new GPUs also benefit from PCI-E 4.0

An upcoming drive is the sabrent rocket 4 plus which will actually fully take advantage of PCI-E 4 (x4), at least in some sequential read/write scenarios.
 

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Why people will buy RTX 3070
People are simply stupid, they are incapable or rational independent though. They buy it because it's in their price-range instead of actually looking at what they get for their money relative to the competition. People are ignoring the fact that better hardware will last longer and thus save you money.

Here are some comments by what seems to be low IQ nvidia fanboys:

Omg really?! Dude it’s faster than 2080 and i think a Ti for $499. It uses 3rd Tensors cores and 2nd Gen Ray Tracings Cores like other 30s. That’s why called 3070 because it is slower.
Most people don't have 700 bucks to spend on a gpu. The 3070 is the budget option. Sure it may not be as good as a 3080 or 3090, but it is better and way more cheaper than a 2080ti. The 3070 is great value.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/il979k/rtx_3070_is_bad_value/

Notice how the post got downvoted into oblivion despite being factually true, people do not want to deal with reality as it is, they want to live in their alternate fantasy reality.
 

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Why it's a bad idea to built a computer now
While there will always be better things to wait for there are instances where it's really bad timing to buy.

2080ti is significantly more expensive than what 3080 will cost while only delivering about 60% of the performance so in a situation like that you really should wait if you need a good GPU.

You can still buy an X570 (AM4) motherboard now and temporarily use an r5 3600 CPU (cheap and decent) while waiting for better AMD CPU:s but that is a gamble and you lock yourself to upgrading to zen 3. You can also buy DDR4 ram now, it should drop in price soon but if you need a computer now then you have to take that hit.

There is also the issue of no really good gen4 NVME drive being available.

3090 will actually be a really good GPU, the only issues with it is the high price and no displayport 2.0 support (unless it has it unofficially). You also need to make sure you can actually fit it inside your case. Otherwise if you want an acceptable amount of VRAM you need to wait until nvidia releases cheaper models with more than 10GB of ram (RTX 3070ti 16GB, RTX 3080 20GB, etc).

Getting your hands on 3080/3090 might be challanging for a while which might also make it more difficult to complete your build eve if you are willing to temporarily use non-ideal components.

Used cards have significantly dropped in value but they are still overprized

 

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PC monitors
When buying a PC monitor you should make sure to get a refresh-rate of at least 120hz and a resolution of at least 2650*1440

There are 1440p monitors that support 240hz, the only issue here is that even the best CPU will often limit you to significantly lower framerate than 240hz, sometimes you cannot even reach 120fps and then lowering settings will not help since that only decreases the load on the GPU.

So a 2160p144 monitor will actually utilize your system better in demanding titles.

For less CPU-intensive tasks 1440p240 is better.

For highly competitive games 1080p360 might be better than 1440p240 but this is only when you can actually get more than 240fps in the game.

One issue with 240hz+ monitors is that then you have to accept having a TN panel instead of IPS panel, at least for now (may change later this year)

https://www.240hzmonitors.com/best-1440p-240hz-monitor/
 

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Can you upgrade?
With PC you will typically be able to upgrade and have it technically work.Unfortunatily one exception is CPU and motherboard where you often have to replace both, zen3 will be the last for AM4.

If your power supply isn't capable enough then you will not be able to push your components to the max, if it's really weak like 400W for 3950x+3090 then you can still make it work but you might have to reduce the voltage for the GPU.

You may also run into bottleneck, this means that for a while (until you do another upgrade) you will not take full usage of the compontent you bought, currently no CPU is really suitable for RTX 3090 and 1440p240 so you have to wait and upgrade later to take better usage of it.
 

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Do not buy into the hype
Wait for independent benchmarks. Be very critical of claims made by companies like nvidia.

When nvidia say "3070 is better than 2080ti" they are lying to you, its not better other than maybe slighly more energy efficient and a few features you do not need at all.



Remember bulldozer?
amd hyped it up a lot but once it launched it was a total disaster.

So you would have been better off just buying sandy bridge e instead of waiting for what wasn't a better CPU, this illustrates the risk you take when waiting for new hardware, you miss out on having a better system while waiting for what's just another disappointment.
 

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Waiting for new hardware often isn't worth it
Even when a new product isn't disappointing you will still miss out on having a better system until said product is out, often it turns out waiting wasn't worth it.

When i switched to the AMD X570 platform i considered getting a 2TB nvme drive but i decided that i could wait for drives that took better use of the pci-e 4.0 interface, still 9 months later there still isn't a better drive out there, my SSDs are almost full, current gen4 drives hasn't dropped much in price at all.

There will always be new products on the way, if you find a product you are happy with just buy that now (if you are ok with the price). For some people buying the 3090 now makes sense since for them waiting for a worse (but significantly cheaper) 3080ti (that may never materialize) isn't worth it for them, they just want the best performance now.
 

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Will 3090 remain on top?
A stronger GPU will very likely be released as a quadro, the price however will be very high (over 5000$), they might however also release a consumer version in the unlikely event AMD somehow manages to even beat the 3090.


It's likely the 3090 will lack a proper nvlink connection, nvidia wants to you buy (far more expensive) quadros instead.
 

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Phison E18
Recently Samsung 980 pro was released but performance was underwhelming. Drives based on the Phison E18 controller are likely to perform significantly better. In the most recent preview the controller reached 7381MB/s

tweaktown.com/news/75810/phison-e18-controller-exclusive-mind-blowing-7-4gb-sec-read-speeds/index.html

Random performance is also really strong

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/exclusive-phisons-e18-nvme-ssd-controller-hits-12-million-iops

Earlier results were also good (when the controller was less developed):

tomshardware.com/news/phisons-new-e18-ssd-controller-rivals-samsung-980-pro-with-7-gbps-of-throughput

Chris Ramseyer wrote:

Coming from a forum background I wanted to share some of the first tests on the upcoming E18 controller. This was the first firmware without any optimizations so don't sweat the fine details. We are still working on it. As you can imagine, there will be hundreds of hours put into tuning the controller for the best performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/iwko0h/whats_up_with_phison_e18/

Chris Ramseyer wrote:

Just ask me, lol. As we get closer I can do an AMA or something.

This is where we are right now. There was a CDM screenshot released with the very first firmware. I'm testing now with the second firmware (internal release). The second FW brings some optimizations so the performance increases across the board.
E18 will ship with fast TLC.

Expect another performance "leak" either on Friday or early next week.

CR - Technical Marketing Manager, Phison
 

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If future proofing futile?
While it is true that eventually a product will break or become obsolete there is still a massive difference in how long a product will remain useful.

Generally the stronger a product is at launch the longer it will take for the product to become obsolete.

The 12 year old X5675 is still viable for gaming today


I7-3930K that came later (Q4 2011) also holds up ok today 9 years later when overclocked.

If however a CPU is bad at launch it will be even worse in the future, any issues it has now will become even worse as games become more demanding.


Even if you end up upgrading to something better later you will still benefit from a product that holds up since then you will get more for it when you sell it. GPUs like the GTX 1080 still hold their value relatively well due to lack of progress in the GPU space.

The life-spam of computer hardware is increasing, it's becoming increasingly hard for semiconductor companies to push out more performance, therefore it's easier to justify spending a significant amount of money buying good hardware that will last.
 

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Zen 3
New AMD cpu:s will be available in november

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The ryzen 7 5800x will be insanely overprized but you do want more than 6 cores.

If you want good performance soon go for ryzen 9 5900x or 5950x.

Or you can wait for intel rocket lake or zen 4.
 

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nvidia to counter with 3070ti
Lately big navi has shown a lot of promise but then out of nowhere it was leaked that nvidia was cancel the 3070 and 3080 models with double the memory


this of course didn't make any sense unless they are going to counter with something even stronger

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-preps-new-geforce-rtx-30-ga102-graphics-card-tackle-amd-radeon-rx-6800/

https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1319578022781964288

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Model  cudacores memory         bus
3090   10496     24GB gddr6x    384-bit
3080   8704      10GB gddr6x    320-bit
3070ti 7424      10GB gddr6x ?  320-bit
3070   5888      8GB  gddr6     256-bit
3060ti 4864      8GB  gddr6     256-bit
So the 3070ti would simply be a cut down 3080, instead of throwing away defective GPUs nvidia will disable defective parts of the circuit and sell it as a cheaper version.

We can also expect a 3080ti to launch, it would probably be close to a 3090 and be far cheaper. Some people have claimed that a 3080ti would make 3090 pointless but nvidia could fix that by giving 3090 (and not 3080ti) professional driver support (like real titans) alternatively they could simply keep 3090 as an overprized GPU for people insisting on getting the most powerful GPU on the market.

The 3070 will be overprized relative to AMD if they launch it at 500$ but if they instead give us 3070ti for 500$ that will be good value.
 

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Big navi potentially beating the 3090
A lot of people assumed this would not happen. Them being able to beat the 3080 was to be expected but even beating the 3090 would be impressive considering it is a 1500$ GPU

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This for 999$

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpgu-cTjyM

This is however in games and settings picked by AMD, 3090 may still be a better card when you factor in DLSS and other nvidia features.

As we see from the graph this is with Rage mode (overclocking) and Smart Access (5000 series CPU)
 

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Big navi specs
The 6800xt is the value option, both the 6800 and 6900xt have poor value
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model  ComputeUnits RastorizationUnits TextureUnits InfinityCache Prize Ram       
6900xt 80           128                320          128MB         999$  16GB GDDR6
6800xt 72           128                288          128MB         649$  16GB GDDR6 
6800   80           96                 240          128MB         549$  16GB GDDR6
 

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What it makes sense for nvidia to do
With 6900xt (big navi) beating the 3080 and closing in to 3090 nvidia has to respond somehow.

One option would be to simply drop the price of the 3090 as they ramp up production but this is probably not the best option, it's smarter for them to keep the 3090 at 1500$ and have it be really overprized for the best performance (some people will still buy the best on the market even if it's overprized). We can expect a card that is slightly below the 3090 and much cheaper.


Currently the 3080 and 3090 are both made from the same die, it's just that the die in 3080 is more locked down, this can be due to part of the die being defective but it can also be that nvidia is locking down healthy dies for segmentation purposes (which is unlikely given the 3090 shortage). There currently isn't any option between the 3080 and 3090 meaning nvidia may have to lock down a defective die a lot more than necessary.

Nvidia could decide to actually start making dies specifically for the 3080 (and better)
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full Model  Ram    from defective die
3090        24GB   3080ti 24GB
3080super   20GB   3080 10GB, 3070ti 10GB
3070        8GB    3060ti 8GB
Here nvidia would switch to making 3080 10GB from 3080super dies (GA103) instead of 3090 dies (GA102).

Alternatively nvidia could simply make multiple cut down versions from defective 3090 dies. One with 24GB VRAM and another with 12GB:
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Model   shaders ram          price
3090    10496   24GB gddr6X  1499$
3080ti  9984    24GB gddr6X  999$
3080su  9600    12GB gddr6X  799$
3080    8704    10GB gddr6X  699$
3070ti  7424    10GB gddr6X  599$
3070    5888    8GB gddr6    499$
3060ti  4864    8GB gddr6    399$
One issue here is that the 3080ti would be needlessly expensive to make, 24GB vram is overkill and would also cannebalize the 3090, for these reasons a 24GB 3080ti is unlikely (but remain a possibility). Furthermore a lot of models may have defective memory controllers meaning these dies would need to be locked down.

Therefore we can expect to see a 20GB version (22GB is possible but less likely).
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Model   shaders ram          price
3090    10496   24GB gddr6X  1499$
3080ti  9984    20GB gddr6X  999$
3080    8704    10GB gddr6X  699$
3070ti  7424    10GB gddr6X  599$
3070    5888    8GB gddr6    499$
3060ti  4864    8GB gddr6    399$
The memory controllers are tied to segments of L2 cache. Disabling a memory controller also disables it's associated memory cache, which is why the 3080 has 5MB of cache and the 3090 has 6MB. Cache is large with lots of tiny features, so the probability of a defect landing there is quite high.

Another issue with just releasing a 12GB version is that then AMD will have more VRAM which make nvidia look bad. If they release a 12GB 3090 together with a 20GB 3080ti then it we might end up with a situation where a cheaper nvidia GPU has more VRAM and nvidia doesn't want that either. One option is to instead release a more locked down version as 12GB and simply use worse vram meaning it will not actually have better bandwidth even though the bus is wider.
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Model   shaders ram          price
3090    10496   24GB gddr6X  1499$
3080ti  9984    20GB gddr6X  999$
3080su  9600    12GB gddr6X  799$
3080    8704    10GB gddr6X  699$
3070ti  7424    10GB gddr6X  599$
3070    5888    8GB gddr6    499$
3060ti  4864    8GB gddr6    399$
nvidia should probably drop their prices once they have enough supply but by then the successor to ampere will be on the way so it's still better to buy early if you can get it for the MSRP. Especially the 3070 needs to come down in price.

It is likely that nvidia is now holding a lot of dies back figuring out how to best use these (3080 ti/super) why use them for to make 3080 when they can make 3080ti and then make more money from the same die and compete better with AMD.

Most unlikely any model between 3080 and 3090 is going to have nvlink meaning you cannot do SLI unless you go for the 3090, this is not to save cost obviously.
 

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Will there be a 3090ti?
Currently the full GA102 dies are used for the professional market. It has 10752 shaders unlike the 10496 shaders 3090 have, this however does not actually add much in terms of performance(only around 2%).

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-a6000.c3686

Nvidia could however decide to release a gimped version of A6000 for the consumer market as a titan giving it professional driver support, this however would cannibalize on their A6000 sales so nvidia will not be very interested in doing that.

Alternatively nvidia could just release a gimped version of RTX A40 (will be made by TSMC) allowing them to beat AMD with a proper margin, then we might also see a 3080 ti/super (from cut down dies) beating the 3090 (which would make nvidia look silly). This however isn't needed since the 3090 beats the 6900xt overall and they could just lower the 3090 price or launch a 3080ti.

The only thing that really make sense is to among the 3090 dies select the best performing once and sell then as 3090ti and lower the 3090 price to 1199$
 

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3080ti
A bit surprisingly it seems like nvidia is just going to reduce the amount of ram by 4GB, it will have the same number of shaders as the 3090 and thus perform very similar in benchmarks.

videocardz.com/newz/kopite7kimi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-rumored-to-feature-10496-cuda-cores-and-20gb-gddr6x-memory

This is a possibility i did overlook since i assumed nvidia would leave a larger gap to the 3090, this is even smaller than expected but it is still a sensible move if there are yield issues specifically affecting memory controllers.

As expected no NVLink, this is probably for segmentation purposes and not to save manufacturing cost.
 

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Will there be a 3080 super?
Let's say nvidia releases 3080ti for 999$

That would create a 300$ gap between the 3080 and 3080ti, nvidia may want to add a GPU in between allowing them to make more money from their dies. They have a lot of options for this and we can only guess what if anything they will release

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Model   shaders ram          price
3090    10496   24GB gddr6X  1499$
3080ti  10496   20GB gddr6X  999$
3080su  9984    12GB gddr6X  799$
3080    8704    10GB gddr6X  699$
3070ti  7424    10GB gddr6X  599$
3070    5888    8GB gddr6    499$
3060ti  4864    8GB gddr6    399$
Here the 3080 super would actually get better memory bandwidth than the 3080ti unless they compensate by using ram chips that cannot be clocked as highly.

They could also make a beefed up 20GB version of the 3080 (similar to how 1060 3GB had more shaders than 1060 3GB)
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Model     shaders ram          price
3090      10496   24GB gddr6X  1499$
3080ti    10496   20GB gddr6X  999$
3080 20GB 9600    20GB gddr6X  849$
3080 10GB 8704    10GB gddr6X  699$
3070ti    7424    10GB gddr6X  599$
3070      5888    8GB gddr6    499$
3060ti    4864    8GB gddr6    399

We could see some price-drops but do not expect too much with regard to that
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Model     shaders ram          price
3090      10496   24GB gddr6X  1299$
3080ti    10496   20GB gddr6X  949$
3080 20GB 9600    20GB gddr6X  799$
3080 10GB 8704    10GB gddr6X  649$
3070ti    7424    10GB gddr6X  549$
3070      5888    8GB gddr6    449$
3060ti    4864    8GB gddr6    379
 

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Upcoming NVME drives potentially worth waiting for
Of course we do not actually know which of these that will actually materialize, some might end up just having been vapourware, luckily there are multiple competing companies trying to build controller and whole SSDs

WD black SN 850
The 2TB version will be released november 10 for 449$, performance is ok but it's still not too great for the price

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9664/wd-black-sn850-1tb-nvme-2-ssd/index.html

Samsung 980 pro 2TB
Looking at the performance of the 1TB model we can expect a 2TB samsung 980 pro to beat the 2TB SN850



Sabrent rocket 4 plus
It's one supposedily upcoming model that will use the phison E18 controller

tweaktown.com/news/75810/phison-e18-controller-exclusive-mind-blowing-7-4gb-sec-read-speeds/index.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/exclusive-phisons-e18-nvme-ssd-controller-hits-12-million-iops

https://www.sabrent.com/rocket-4-plus/

While some drives are now in reviewer hands, it does seem like the firmware still faces some challenges and it might be a while longer before retail drives are available. I do not have a specific date on that, just posting that it's still presumably at least weeks away for those holding out. Again, this is not the fault of Sabrent or any other manufacturer, just Phison running a bit behind. So if you're getting Gen4 this BF you might be stuck with SN850 (with more reviews very soon) or the 980 Pro.

Earlier Chris Ramseyer stated that it is planned and actually Phison is working to release it earlier

So it looks more and more like Phison is rewriting their firmware to squeeze last drops of performance out of it after the 980pro release. It is absolutely not a planned deadline.

Galax HOF extreme
We might see a 4TB model which would be nice.

https://basic-tutorials.com/galax-hall-of-fame-extreme-ssd-with-high-data-rate-presented/

SM2264
This controller was paper-launched october 20 this year.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16183/silicon-motion-launches-pcie-40-nvme-ssd-controllers
 

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OK, got it up and running. I'm sorta torn between SN850 and this one.
It does hit the advertised speeds, but I feel like SN850 is better for real world use. What do you guys think? My day job does not depend on a lot of sequential operations, so I don't think those sequential speeds are that important for me. Sabrent is $50 cheaper too...

Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus (2TB):

https://i.imgur.com/oDNjnQj.png

WD SN850 (2TB):

System specs: Ryzen 3900x, Asus Crosshair VIII Hero

Edit: One dumb thing I noticed is the HDD activity LED pattern, which is different between Sabrent and WD. WD blinks on-and-off at fixed intervals, so you can't really tell how much work it's doing. Sabrent blinks like a traditional HDD/SSD where the intensity of the LED and the frequency of blinking depends on the actual amount of activity. I like Sabrent's better cause I'm old-school :D
 

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About watercooling
There are 2 general issues with all types of watercooling
0. The leak risk (can end very badly)
1. Pump noise.

Furthermore expensive all-in-one watercoolers often fail to beat far more cheaper aircoolers.
 

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Issues with having a custom watercooling loop
While this can give you a lot of cooling performance this require you to buy expensive watercooling blocks for GPUs that then cannot be used if you decide to upgrade your GPU.

You also have to deal with the risk of leaks which is hard to completely eliminate, all it takes is one tube not being properly attached.

Furthermore most cases will not offer you much in terms of space for big radiators so you end up having to buy something really expensive to really get good performance.

And you will find out that all the extra cooling potential you have will not really allow you to get that much more in terms of performance, even if you have enough cooling to increase the voltage you might not actually be able to do so due to said voltage being unsafe for the chip (potentially causing degredation) or the increased voltage might not actually allow you to increase the frequency much if anything.

The main potential benefit is that you can make your fans so quiet you cannot hear them during 100% load, you will still hear the pump unfortunately.
 

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3080ti vs 6900xt
The amd 6900xt will launch earlier but it will sell out almost instantly. The card to go for will instead be the 3080ti 20GB

6900xt should be marginally faster in 1440p (or lower) when raytracing isn't used, otherwise the 3080ti will offer superior performance and also have 4GB more VRAM which is nice for futureproofing and when using cuda appilications in windows 10 (due to windows 10 reserving about 20% of the VRAM for no good reason).

 

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Is there any good value SSDs?
Lets say you want a lot of storage capacity but you do not are unwilling to pay a lot of money for a good SSD drives or opt for mechanical hard-drives. Are there any good options? not really

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Capacity price type endurance interface model
8TB      750$  QLC  2880TBW   SATA 3    Samsung 870 QVO
3.84TB   475$  TLC  2823TBW   SATA 3    Kingston DC450R
4TB      452$  TLC  2400TBW   SATA 3    Samsung 860 evo
4TB      420$  QLC  1440TBW   SATA 3    Samsung 870 QVO
2TB      450$  TLC  1200TBW   NVME 1.4  western digital SN850
2TB      400$  TLC  1400TBW   NVME 1.4  Sabrent rocket 4 plus
2TB      360$  TLC  3600TBW   NVME 1.4  corsair force mp600, sabrent rocket 4.0 *
2TB      250$  TLC  1400TBW   NVME 1.3  HP ex950
2TB      272$  TLC  1280TBW   NVME 1.3  Adata XPG SX8200
2TB      210$  TLC  1200TBW  SATA 3    Samsung 860 evo
2TB      190$  TLC  700TBW    SATA 3    Crucial MX500
1TB      230$  TLC  600TBW    NVME 1.4  samsung 980 pro
1TB      229$  TLC  600TBW    NVME 1.4  western digital SN850
1TB      200$  TLC  700TBW    NVME 1.4  Sabrent rocket 4 plus
1TB      135$  TLC  750TBW    NVME 1.3  SK Hynix Gold P31
1TB      95$   TLC  350TBW    SATA 3   Crucial MX500
* these old phison-E16 drives do not perform that well (not really faster than a good gen3 drive) but you might be able to get one for a nice discount and the reliability rating is actually superior to the newer faster NVME drives.

From these the best value options seem to be
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8TB      750$  QLC  2880TBW   SATA 3    Samsung 870 QVO
4TB      452$  TLC  2400TBW   SATA 3    Samsung 860 evo
3.84TB   475$  TLC  2823TBW   SATA 3    Kingston DC450R
2TB      400$  TLC  1400TBW   NVME 1.4  Sabrent rocket 4 plus
2TB      450$  TLC  1200TBW   NVME 1.4  western digital SN850
2TB      250$  TLC  1400TBW   NVME 1.3  HP ex950
2TB      210$  TLC  1200TBW  SATA 3    Samsung 860 evo
2TB      190$  TLC  700TBW    SATA 3    Crucial MX500
1TB      229$  TLC  600TBW    NVME 1.4  western digital SN850
1TB      229$  TLC  600TBW    NVME 1.4  samsung 980 pro
1TB      135$  TLC  750TBW    NVME 1.4  SK Hynix Gold P31
1TB      95$  TLC   360TBW    SATA 3    Crucial MX500
 

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#34
6900xt
While it does have 80 compute units instead of 72 the number of ROPs is the same at 128. Given that we can expect it to only about 5% more performance at the same frequency while being 350$ more expensive (+50%) than the 6800xt.

But for some reason the actual performance is stronger than it should be, RDNA GPUs are a bit wierd in that sense


Still it's really hard to recommend buying it and this will even more be the case once 3080ti available.


The reason why it's overpriced is due to bad yeilds, they cannot make many of them. It will probably be very hard to get.
 

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#35
Do not buy bad hardware
Always go for good stuff, it doesn't have to be the best but it has do be good.

You do not know how long you are going to hold on to new hardware, often it's longer than you think due to new products being delayed or out of stock. A product you was waiting for could end up as a failure and then you are stuck with your old hardware.

Having to put up with bad performance for years just so save a small amount of money simply isn't worth it.
 
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