Personally, I agree with Ted Kaczynski

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Huge, restrictive, and oppressive governments driven by an intense lust for advanced technological progress is bad for everyone including the planet.
 

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The whole point of his manifesto is that individual freedom is becoming more and more suffocated as governments, driven by an insatiable desire for technological progress, becomes more and more restrictive and oppressive.
 

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Ted kaczynski did correctly identify a lot of issues that come with technological progress but we do need to push forward in order to survive, the sun is getting hotter over time making it more and more difficult for life (expecially complex life) to survive.

newscientist.com/article/2269567-most-life-on-earth-will-be-killed-by-lack-of-oxygen-in-a-billion-years/

https://phys.org/news/2016-05-earth-survive-sun-red-giant.html
Mr. Kaczynski does make a point that if the current system is allowed to progress unimpeded then Earth may very well become uninhabitable long before the sun kills us.
If the development of the technological world system is allowed to proceed to its logical conclusion, it will in all probability leave the Earth uninhabitable for all of the more complex forms of life as we know them today. This admittedly remains unproven; it represents the author's personal opinion.
 

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Mr. Kaczynski does make a point that if the current system is allowed to progress unimpeded then Earth may very well become uninhabitable long before the sun kills us.
That is very unlikely given the fact that complex life has survived multiple mass-extinction events including ones far far than what humans are causing now.

But if we do not push forward then nothing will survive whatsoever, we need to colonize other planets to avoid complete extinction.
If the development of the technological world system is allowed to proceed to its logical conclusion, it will in all probability leave the Earth uninhabitable for all of the more complex forms of life as we know them today. This admittedly remains unproven; it represents the author's personal opinion.
Complex life survived the an meteor with 1.3e24 J to 5.8e25 J

https://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6391

That is 6 to 250 million times the tsar bomba blast.
 

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But if we do not push forward then nothing will survive whatsoever, we need to colonize other planets to avoid complete extinction.
Humans will never travel to the next star. It is completely infeasible.
The fastest speed ever achieved by a human made object was 25 miles per second with the Juno spacecraft. If we somehow pack a ship with humans and supplies and travel at that speed towards the nearest star, it would take more than 30,000 years. 30k years might as well be a billion; when compared to our 100 year lives, both are infinite. Star Trek-like warp drives are not reality; there is no suggestion they ever could be.
All we have is this planet, and there are so many ways it can go wrong. It's entirely conceivable that some chemical we're pouring into the environment destroys some fragile balance, global temperatures rise and we all die. It's entirely conceivable a human virus spreads through our dense global society and we all die. It's entirely conceivable that a hunk of metal the size of Manhattan falls from the sky and we all die.
 
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