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How to gain access to good private trackers
Once you have become member of a good private tracker and advance there you might get invited to other private trackers.

So how do you get into private trackers in the first place? well some of them have an interview system.

https://interviewfor.red/en/index.html

https://interview.orpheus.network/

I did pass the interview for RED at my first attempt but that was after reading the website and already knowing a lot about audio. The hard part was actually getting an interview time and not missing it, you can get as little as slightly more than 20 minutes to reply when you get notified on your IRC client. Note that being say #12 does not mean you are not going to get time for interview without warning in 30 minutes, they typically do more than one at once.

Note that you should obviously not visit the interview website after the interview has started since that would be cheating, they almost certaintly logs the ip adresses for visitors so they see if you connect to it for any reason during the interview.

And obviously try to read and understand what they are actually telling you regarding audio, this is basic stuff you should learn regardless for the most part.
 

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How to avoid getting banned
Obviously read and follow the rules and do not try to cheat them.

It might be best not to invite anyone at all since that's only a liability, instead refer your friends to the interview site. Staff may use collective punishments against especially bad actors so it's better to be independent with your account.

Do not visit any invite trading site without using at least tor + proxy since letting those people see your ip would be a liability. You also need to use a different browser obviously (preferably different computer altogether)

https://archive.fo/8koAG

Be careful with regard to the forums and IRC channels. Do not point out to authority figures there how they are wrong. The issue is that if you make some staff upset by posting something on a forum you might get banned resulting in you no longer being able to download music you love for example, it's not worth it.

You are there to download content primarily.

Probably best to avoid anything remotely political though and sensitive topics in general.

Main upside i can see with being active on forums is you then getting invited to some other site by someone but that would only grant you an unofficial invite which is inferior to an invite from official channel (such as on forums restricted to certain user classes).
 

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On being /pure/ and avoiding treebans
Your account is /pure/ when you have only been invited to trackers via official channels, such as staff-run applications, or official recruiting threads. Staff will virtually never treeban an official recruiter since it would wipe out too many innocent users along with them. The benefit of being /pure/ is the assured knowledge your account is safe today and ten years from now. Remember that once you are in someone's tree you are in it forever, you have no control over the other people they invite, or who those people invite. Your inviter might be a good dude, but if he invites someone who sells accounts you are now in a poisoned tree. Being /pure/ is not always easy.
  • Official recruiting requirements might be high.
  • You might get an invite way faster from a buddy, this can be a good idea if you know and truly trust this person not to give out user invites willy nilly. You can sidestep potentially years of pyramid climbing if you have a friend in the right place who you can trust implicitly.
  • Some trackers don't have official recruiting at all. TVV, for example. Joining these trackers doesn't really affect your accounts' /pure/ status as they are generally not cabal associated. Obviously, you can still get in some trouble if the wrong person invites you, just be prudent with how you get your invites.
  • Some trackers are in no way associated with the cabal, so being /impure/ doesn't matter. IPT is an example of this.
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The cabal
Many private trackers work together to get rid of problematic users. If you do something viewed as very bad (such as invite trading) on one site you will end up getting banned on other sites as well once you get caught (or prevented from ever joining if you do do not yet have account on any of these sites).

The leaders of the cabal are:

https://redacted.ch
https://broadcasthe.net/
https://passthepopcorn.me/
https://hdbits.org

Sites lower in the hierarchy are:

https://karagarga.in/
https://gazellegames.net/
https://bibliotik.me/
https://animebytes.tv/
https://orpheus.network/
https://beyond-hd.me/
https://www.cinematik.net/
https://www.pixelcove.me/
https://www.empornium.is/
https://revolutiontt.me
https://www.morethantv.me/
https://secret-cinema.pw/
https://animetorrents.me/
https://filelist.io
 

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private trackers suck ass.

like the pureTnA site from years ago.

the members always bitch to other people

and neg them to seed, and brag about their retarded seed ratios.
That particular site being bad does not mean that all are bad.

For some material private trackers is literally your only realistic option got getting it.

Of course there are significant hurdles to actually use them, not only to get an account in the first place but also to maintain that (can be difficult to keep a good ratio).

Also: You don't have to use the forums in the first place. You can simply download what you need and upload enough to hold the ratio.
 

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People are not being rewarded enough for uploading new content
While the first seeder will be at an advantage what tends to happen on sites such as redacted.ch is seedboxes autosnatching the new uploads resulting in the original uploader benefiting less from it than the seedbox who had the best bandwidth, etc.

Note that having new content be autosnatched is actually a good thing in itself. The issue is that there isn't any good mechanism in which uploaders of new content are compensated, sometimes there are bounties but typically there isn't.

One very obvious solution is to give some bigger rewards to the original uploader such as 10% the traffic. this can be capped to 10 times the size of the uploaded files. You can also have a fixed compensation just to incentivize archiving (after it has been fully seeded by at least 1 person for 30 days, doesn't matter who).
 

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Imagine risking your account for 5 freeleech tokens
On redacted.ch you get 5 freelech tokens if you invite someone that reaches "Elite Torrent Master". Reaching that takes a lot of work since it requires you to
  • Upload 500 GiB
  • Upload 500 "perfect flac" torrents.
  • Have ratio above 0.65 (will then get demoted if it falls below 0.6)
  • Uploaded at least 500 "unique groups" (albums).
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The freeleech tokens are not actually that valuable since they are limited to 2GiB torrents (or less) and cannot be used at all for larger torrents.
 

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Waiting for freeleech vs downloading right away
Since a tracker might ban you, remove the torrent or just shut down it makes sense to get stuff you really want right away and only wait for freeleech for hit and miss content (such as downloading music only because it being 24 bit and 192 KS/s).

You can keep a "wait for freeleech" list on your computer but maybe if it's notable enough to be put on a list you should just download it right away?
 

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Which private trackers are even worth joining in the first place?
A lot of private trackers don't even offer that much in terms of content.

https://hdvinnie.github.io/Private-Trackers-Spreadsheet/

Redacted.ch has by far the most torrents, of course many of these are different formats of the same song but that's actually a good thing (except for the mp3 uploads nobody wants). Despite being limited to basically just music it has more torrent than any general private tracker.
 

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Maintaining a good ratio at redacted.ch isn't hard
Right now they have a "freeload" event that will last until januari 31 (UTC). That means that you can download loads of stuff without having it affect your ratio.

Use this opportunity to grab loads of files to seed. If you find one track you like just grab the entire album (including extras) since the upload will start count once the freeload event is over.

They also provide you with freeleech tokens that can be used for torrent up to 2GiB in size. Even if you do have a freeleech token it might stiill make sense to just download regularly if the torrent is of small size since you get more for your token in terms of not having download credited if you use it for larger torrents (ideally exactly 2GiB but 800MiB+ is fine).

You can rip CDs to get some increase your upload stats but that's not the most time effective method. There is a much quicker method that does not require you to have possess any physical media or pre-own any music at all. You can search for 24-bit releases and then use sox.

They allow each of the following to be uploaded for reach release

24/192 xor 24/176.4
24/96 xor 24/88.2
16/48 xor 16/44.1

downsample to 16/44.1:

Code:
mkdir converted; for flac in *.[Ff][Ll][Aa][Cc]; do sox -S "$flac" -R -G -b 16 converted/"$flac" rate -v -L 44100 dither; done

downsample to 16/48:
Code:
mkdir converted; for flac in *.[Ff][Ll][Aa][Cc]; do sox -S "$flac" -R -G -b 16 converted/"$flac" rate -v -L 48000 dither; done

downsample to 24/88.2 for 24/176.4 releases:
Code:
mkdir converted; for flac in *.[Ff][Ll][Aa][Cc]; do sox -S "$flac" -R -G converted/"$flac" rate -v -L 88200; done

Resample to 24/96 for 24/192 sources:
Code:
mkdir converted; for flac in *.[Ff][Ll][Aa][Cc]; do sox -S "$flac" -R -G converted/"$flac" rate -v -L 96000; done
This is by far the most popular format, very likely to get snatched at least once quickly.

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Uploads to 24/48 or 24/44.1 are only allowed if it was originally released as that and then you can also upload a 16 bit version i think.

Dither to 16-bit without resampling:
Code:
mkdir converted; for flac in *.[Ff][Ll][Aa][Cc]; do sox -S "$flac" -R -G -b 16 converted/"$flac" dither; done
Note that while they do suggest downsampling 24/96 to 16/48 the more popular format might actually be 16/44.1 so you might get more snatches if you upload as 16/44.1
 

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You don't need a seedbox unless you have bad internet
Of course you should get good internet (upload above 40 MiB/s ideally) since otherwise you will have to pay for a seexbox which costs more than upgrading to better internet generally.

You can also of course just temporarily rent a seedbox if you need to boost your ratio for a while but if you are smart about it there should be no need for that.

People getting seedboxes seems like a pointless armsrace a lot of the time, people getting better and better upload speeds to compete against each other.
 

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Stuff that has annoyed me with redacted.ch
First off the process for getting interviewed is very frustrating, they only did interviews around 3 times a week when i was trying to become a member and it might occur at a time where you are away from the computer or simply doing something else (i should have set up some sound notification for IRC but now i am a member so no need anymore).

Still better than getting inviting and risking treeban.

The freeload while good for me did annoy me in seeing upload not get counted for that which makes it feel pointless to seed (especially when it's pretty hard to get upload even with 100/100 internet (mbps)).

If you try to upload mp3 it will most likely sit there unsnatched forever since nobody want's that garbage. Why bother to join a private tracker only do download mp3 files? especailly when the flac versions aren't even that much larger (after they stopped having a separate V2 version due to nobody downloading it).

What people actually want is cd quality and higher but here is a problem. When you upload you only specify 24bit lossless or 16bit lossless which doesn't tell users the actual sampling rates, you end up having to guess based on the file size unless the uploader tells you in a separate comment.

I am looking to improve my libracy of high samplerate music partly for testing purposes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4005747/

A perhaps bigger issue is that you might download an album as "24bit lossless" only to see yet another casualty of the loadness war making half of the bits basically useless due to it hardly having any dynamic range after having been destroyed in matering, then you end up having to download some vinyl rip instead (worse fidelity than getting the studio master directly). For the most part the community there doesn't really care about that so you cannot find out by reading the comment section, you end up having to download one of the files yourself to check it in audacity (if there is no free-leech).

The freeleech tokens are annoying, you cannot use them at all for torrents larger than 2GiB and it feels like a waste so use them for CD releases that are only like 400 MiB. It distorts the economy by encouraging people to download torrents in the 1 to 2 GiB range rather than actually getting what they want (you can still use regular download for the other stuff though).

I don't see any easy way to see if you have actually downloaded a torrent, quickest method i found is to just grab the torrent file again and see if transmission notify you about a duplicate (annoying).

When you download a torrent it might say on the website that it has a seeder only to find out that there isn't actually anyone seeding it, then if you used a freeleech token it might expire without you being able to download anything.

Also the tracker has been down more often than i expected.

The library of music is good but something i just do not find what i am looking for there (i heard other sites are significantly worse in that respect though). When it came to finding metroid prime 2 music i ended up having to download from some niche website instead (where no invite was required).

The economy doesn't really reward people much who put the effort into ripping CDs (when there isn't any significant bounty). You get more upload from resampling hirez stuff (such as 24-192 to 24-96) and it still get counted as a "perfect flac" for some reason which is bullshit imo.

Anyway i doubt there is even any better alternative and i don't see myself running into ratio trouble there any time soon thanks to their freeload event that lasted to long (in addition to getting loads of freeleech tokens).
 
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