Therapy = brainwashing

[Admin]

When you subject someone to therapy you replace what you view as unhealthy thoughts with what you view as healthy thoughts

Its safer and more effective to rant openly online while properly protecting your real identity (TOR is free and easy to use).

cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/an-analysis-of-psychotherapy-versus-placebo-studies/08C6F3704103BE1DE8737138D61BE66B

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656616302410

https://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/depression/short-term-dynamic-psychotherapy-versus-pharmacotherapy/

Talking openly about being suicidal can end very badly for you https://vintologi.com/threads/psychiatry-horror-stories.267/

 

[adolf512]

Patients’ depression improved over the 16 weeks (P < .0001), with no between-group differences (P = .95), even among severely (HRSD17 score ≥ 20) depressed patients (P = .45). Response rates did not differ between groups (P = .73)

https://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/depression/short-term-dynamic-psychotherapy-versus-pharmacotherapy/

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT00043550?term=NCT00043550&draw=2&rank=1

 

[Oxblood]

Political alignment is relevant when it comes to choosing a therapist. Since their subject is pseudoscience, then you have to know the political views of your therapist.

 

[Admin]

Talking to other people can be very helpful but these people very rarily work in the field of mental health. Paing for someone to pretend being a friend that cares about you isn't helpful, it's likely harmful long term.

http://www.antipsychiatry.org/br-thdel.htm

This really illustrates how capitalism has gone to far, we have gotten away from the notion of supporting each other, most people have been brainwashed into thinking dealing with mental issues is something for "professionals" even though these individuals are quacks. now talking to anyone too openly is dangerous since people might call the cops on you resulting in you ending up in a psych jail.

https://vintologi.com/threads/psychiatry-horror-stories.267/

 

[Leucosticte]

now talking to anyone too openly is dangerous since people might call the cops on you resulting in you ending up in a psych jail.

https://vintologi.com/threads/psychiatry-horror-stories.267/

Yeah, that's why we now have a situation where if we want emotional support, the way to get it is to hide behind a VPN and talk to strangers on, e.g., an incel board anonymously.

 

[Admin]

Yeah, that's why we now have a situation where if we want emotional support, the way to get it is to hide behind a VPN and talk to strangers on, e.g., an incel board anonymously.

Even then what you get in return will be limited since your site is likely to be taken down if it violates the law.

The site lookism.net do seem to allow some really controversial stuff to be talked about, i am surprised the site hasn't been taken down yet. Maybe becuase the ideology of the site (anti incel) isn't disliked and thus the site is tolerated?

Lookism.net also have the benefit of not being an echo-chambers, people there have different viewpoints and thus it's more difficult for a ideological group or individual to brainwash you.

 

[Admin]

Well, I was thinking that people will meet on an incel board and then take their more controversial communications elsewhere, e.g. to PMs or to Telegram.

The issue is that many of these boards are tighly moderated and thus people will not be allowed to give good advice.

It's a similar issue with r/detrans where you are not allowed to recommend hormones as a treatment even though it can be highly beneficial for many people, even one of the members (AFAB) wrote that she liked the changes testosterone gave her, she just didn't want to continue with it farther.

 

[Leucosticte]

The issue is that many of these boards are tighly moderated and thus people will not be allowed to give good advice.

It's a similar issue with r/detrans where you are not allowed to recommend hormones as a treatment even though it can be highly beneficial for many people, even one of the members (AFAB) wrote that she liked the changes testosterone gave her, she just didn't want to continue with it farther.

If someone says, "I tried x and now inceldom isn't a problem for me" people will be like, "Get this fakecel / Chad / faggot out of here!" You're not allowed to brag; you're only allowed to whine.

 

[Admin]

"get help"
People very often state that in situation where they clearly hate/dislike the individual, it's not typically something an actual fried will state. The reality is of course that getting real actual help is very difficult and people are likely to just use you when you are desperate.

u/Misery_personified wrote:

The thing is, everyone speils all that shit about psychiatry and drugs(poison) and therapy, even talking good about involuntary commitment.

But this “help” is not real. They are not there to help, they are there for you’re money. Being starved, tackled, drugged, and strapped to a table sounds pretty barbaric when you really put it into perspective. And they call that “help”, how fucking pathetic.I feel like they are trying to silence us, like we know the reality, we know the truth. The “mentally ill”.

Trying to poison us every chance they get, trying to destroy me. Even poisoning our food. So, “help” is not real, the “drugs” (poison) do much more harm than good. Ha, maybe THEY are the deluded ones...

popandlockandtwist wrote:

All of my therapists have been either bad/clearly uninvested or worse, straight up ignorant. Which for me begs the question: at what point do "a few bad apples" become representative of the group?

Granted, I live in a country with universal health care and have only seen hospital therapists because they're free. My friend told me these are all terrible though, because they're not specialized and have to take on too many patients. However, I don't have the kind of money to see private practitioners on a regular basis.

So I suppose it is all in the money you're able to invest.

 

[leftyincel2]

Tor and VPNs don't protect shit.

THere's no true privacy on the internet outside maybe highly encrypted text chats, and even then the chat metadata is not secure.

THe internet was a government project from the beginning and it will remain in their purview.

 

[leftyincel2]

Therapy and psychiatry was always a political tool.

Read that people held in Guantanamo had (or still have?) psychiatrists try to gaslight them as part of their torture.

 

[Admin]

You need to break the law to be a good therapist
In a lot of countires buying/selling sex is illegal meaning providing sex-therapy will be more difficult.

A therapist is legally obligated to contact authorities if you talk about being suicidal "danger to yourself or others"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-therapists-report-confidentiality_l_5d2cf063e4b0bca603641a62?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIOEqsuWO2wRivUOA5uFN0zWFhxBAWQTm5LJkyJkgzs9ADOvetm5mT2IWLL-wd5Zwfe3kapu3PE7F-OCSjMWy8jfHliMGZvlZ4U7fZJf5BgbjiUUvFAqDidamb2PRApVLI036rYodNTgw2W6Ai0RnvIsTt1NEpNekNf1Q5AeQZus

Because of that you cannot talk openly with a therapist and thus it's not really possible for a therapist to be helpful

G_Nostic wrote:

The “mental health” system is worse than just useless, it’s actively damaging. I have been in and out of it for over a decade, and I have met exactly ONE helpful person. My therapist. She is an absolute badass who lied to the administrators to get me free sessions, allows me to openly talk about the stuff we’re “not allowed” to talk about. She doesn’t strong arm me into taking meds, and she won’t just commit me out of fear of liability. Truly, she’s a legend. The reason why I love her is because she’s just a really smart and balanced and amazing human who really will do whatever she can to help. I met her inside a program within the system, and after using up all the no-cost sessions, I switched to seeing her in private practice. I truly have never found another human who has ever given half the shits about me that she does. It’s SO ridiculously rare to find people like her.. but man, if you can find that one person it really can make such a difference. She bashes the system with me. She recently said “it’s all assessment, no treatment.” Hit the nail on the head. She thinks it’s totally broken, and it pisses her off as much as it pisses me off.

 

[Admin]

Good therapist bad therapist
Some therapist will claim "i am not like that, i am better" but you need to be very skeptical, these people typically lack self-awareness and think they are better than they are.

Psychologist here, I agree with almost everything you are saying, but you are repeatedly taking an all or nothing stance, which weakens your argument. A chemical imbalance is due to previous drug use? You are basically making that up. I'm sure it is true for many, but some people hear voices that tell them to do very dangerous things, and medication (highly flawed, problematic medication) makes the voices stop. That is a simple and obvious fact, and tearing down the entire field and not replacing it leaves those people to a pretty nasty fate. That is just one example. Psychiatry is a complete mess, and destroys lives, but it does have SOME benefit for SOME people.

As a therapist, it seems you are just lumping us in with your critique of psychiatrists. I have never told anyone to stop their negative thinking: I think you have me confused with a fresh-out-of-school, high-on-CBT therapist. I am not. I am highly aware of the societal and environmental and historical sources of people's pain. I don't gaslight people, because I'm not an asshole. I have never recommended anyone I work with for electroshock. And so forth. Stick to concrete facts and language that speaks to those facts, and I'll carry any sign you give me. But you are assuming we all abuse our power, and either don't know it or don't care; that we are somehow complicit or unwitting tools of capitalist empire; that our idea of health comes from a textbook or a school. What I do in session is known by two people: me and the patient. That gives me a lot of freedom to chart my own path.

Green: No that is what the research is showing, when you use drugs the brain will adapt to it causing a chemical imbalance, this is how addiction/dependence works.

Red: While technically true it's doesn't justify anything, some females enjoy being raped.

You're hurting your own argument. Addiction is one very specific type of brain problem, unrelated to bipolar, schizophrenia, and many other ailments that devastate the lives of people without medication. Also, why would you write that last sentence? It is disgusting, false, and doesn't relate to this discussion. ANYTHING that causes some benefit is worth at least considering to keep around.

All psychoactive drugs will cause dependence over time, there are no exception to this.
People with schizophrenia recover better without drugs

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5661946/

http://cepuk.org/unrecognised-facts/long-term-outcomes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756791/

You just demonstrated to me that your talk about being one of the good ones was nonsense as i suspected.

Don't fall for this, stay they fuck away, it's not a game worth playing. You might think that a therapist is good only to later find out that he/she wasn't and at that point it will already be too late.

The therapist unintentionally proved my point by using manipulation tactics while ignoring scientific evidence, this is not an individual you want to talk to, it's an individual you need to avoid since he/she is highly skilled at manipulating people. Another possibility is that the therapist simply is delusional but you do not want to pay large amount of money to talk to people that are delusional to that degree, you need someone with proper critical thinking skills.

No argument here about difficult to find, and I certainly know I am not the right fit for everyone who contacts me, but that is not the same as arguing that we are all useless or harmful. Please re-read your original post, and look for points you make that are debatable. They harm an otherwise important point.

It's not even legal to provide proper therapy. In a lot of places sex-work (at least buying) is criminalized.

And as a therapist you are legally obligated to contact psych authorities if someone is "a danger to himself of others" so unless you break the law you are not a good therapist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/hef8kk/the_entire_mental_health_field_is_broken_beyond/

 

[Admin]

It's near impossible to provide good therapy within the totally dysfunctional mental health system.

This also illustrates one problem with being to empathic as a therapist, then you will not really be able to deal well with all the horrors your clients talk about. You need to be a bit anti-social to be able to handle these things emotionally.

 

[Admin]

As an experiment i have offered people free therapy on multiple platforms and without exception nobody took me up on it even though i offered them full confidentiality.

https://www.removeddit.com/r/Antipsychiatry/comments/iltt6u/i_offer_free_anonymous_counselling/

Hiding your IP adress
The best method for this is probably to use the tor browser, unfortunately my website https://vintologi.com sometimes doesn't load with it but it should be possible to fix that.

I also configured my forum such that i will be the only one able to see IP-adresses of users(plus third parties such as the one hosting my forum), you do not need a valid email to register account (no email confirmation is required).

It is worth noting that often you cannot actually tie an IP address to one individual so even if your ip address does leak due to you posting on some forum you might still remain largely anonymous.
configured my forum such that i will be the only one able to see IP-adresses of users(plus third parties such as the one hosting my forum), you do not need a valid email to register account (no email confirmation is required).

It is worth noting that often you cannot actually tie an IP address to one individual so even if your ip address does leak due to you posting on some forum you might still remain largely anonymous.

Hiding personal details
This is where the risk is, any accurate details you share regarding your life to other people could potentially be used to figure out who you are, the more people who can see that the bigger the risk is, this is the issue with using public forums for support, anyone can see that.

I do have a private discord group and i also allow private messages to be sent on my website but these messages are actually stored in plain text so the security isn't the best there.

Can i actually help people?
I have tried helping many people for free and often i realize that it's really difficult for me to really help the individual, usually due to circumstances being bad in the moment meaning there isn't really any safe way for them to improve their situation.

It's more rare that the issue is the individual being unwilling to listen to my advice.

But who am i to give advice? i am really not that successful in life despite doing well on IQ-tests and having a bachelor degree in mathematics. There is a lot of stuff i have not figured out like what the best strategy is for finding a good partner to have children with.

I do not think it's a good idea to rely on just one individual for support, it's better to be in contact with several different individuals, of course again in some situation just good advice doesn't really cut it since the individual is in a really bad spot where there isn't any safe way to improve his/her life.

People go to licensed therapist thinking their teqniques actually help people. If you just want general advice there are soo many free options for that so you are just wasting time (and often money) in addition to putting yourself in danger by going to a mental health professional.

 

[Tradpedo]

@Leucosticte

The-Rapy > Therapist > The-rapist. Therapy is Mind Rape.