What about abandoning female sexual freedom completely?

[Admin]

The idea of a society where females do not have any sexual freedoms at all basically reduced to property for males to enjoy themselves with is certainly interesting and has it's appeal.

There are however plenty of practical issues you run into when you try to take this too far.

Currently most males are probably against this but as the fertility rate keeps going down we might see some countries force females to have more children due to other measures not working particularly well. There is also a lot of sexual frustration especially among younger males.

 

[Admin]

Having unrelated males take over custody of girls
If someone else is going to control her sex-life then the only limiting factor with regard to age is her attractiveness, mental abilities with regard to sexual consent would become irrelevant.

While there are some people that find young girls very much sexually appealing (the real pedophiles) most people including me prefer females with nice curves. We want nice breasts to touch, we want as nice ass, we want to make her pregnant.

Currently most girls are raised by their parents up to age 18 but maybe it would make more sense to have some other male take over the responsibility once he find her sexually appealing (typically starts between 10 and 14), he could then enjoy himself a lot being in full control over the girl and it would be significantly less work needed for parents. This could also be very useful in making more babies if the females are handed to males who want to make them pregnant.

One advantage with not having fertile children live with their parents is that it reduces the risk of incest.

Note that some males would be willing to take over the responsibility early (such as at 9) and have sex with her later but allowing that would also open up the door for pedophiles to abuse children which is a bit problematic. Sure it's fun for the pedophile and it may save parents some work but what about the experience of the child? the whole thing is unappealing to me for some reason.

One problem with having an older male take over at say 13 is that then a young male would miss out. Might be better to pair most females up with males of similar age instead so young males get to have their fun instead of being incel.

The problem with young males however is that often they are unable or unwilling to properly raise children on their own so we would then need society at large (such as via the state) to take on a lot of the responsibility, that might not actually be a bad thing but it's definitely harder to implement than to simply let an older and more capable male have her.

One big problem with having the government control who is going to take control over her is that it would create a big load on the government authorities to make all these decisions and we can assume a lot of questionable decisions would be made.

But letting parents decide is probably also a bad idea since we know that parents generally make bad decisions on behalf of their children when it comes to dating sex, we also do not want to involve parents in the sex-lives of their children.

 

[Admin]

The public use option
While only one male can make each female pregnant each time naturally leading to competition it is possible for several males to all use the same female when it comes to non-reproductive sexual activities.

We could for example restrain some females and let many males play with them. The problem with that is that a lot of males would want to go further than merely groping here so this could lead to a lot of problems trying to manage. We could however use infertfile females for this (such as males forcefully transitioned).

 

[jshe333]

i wanna be one of the first guys to be forced and used for other men’s pleasure

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[Admin]

i wanna be one of the first guys to be forced and used for other men’s pleasure

For a lot of these things we have to get rid of sexually transmitted diseases first.

Maybe we should try to turn tsf monogatari into reality?

 

[Admin]

it won't happen while women are allowed to vote.

Actually it might still be possible to reduce a minority of females to the property of males even if all women are allowed to vote.

We have not really seen any case of that happening as far as i know though, so far this is merely theoretical but we could maybe convince a majority of females to have privileged females be used for breeding slaves.

Also: most males are against these things as well currently.

also most age cucks are probably just fathers not willing to share, who have sex with their daughters.

They do not have sex with their dauthers, they masturbate alone at night because their wife has a headache or whatever.

another concern is that the wrong men would get access to breeding such as Hindus and nig**rs.

If females are reduced to the property of government than the government would distribute them.

But that will be difficult to administer when their are millions of females to control.

Most fathers would not be suited for deciding that.

• legalizing heterosexual rape

One problem with rape is that a lot of males who are willing to do that are ill-suited to reproduce.

• breeding farms

You run into problems if you put too many females in breeding farms. It's also not needed much once we have conquered the entire planet.

• government mandated GFs

How would that even work?

there should also be racial separation.

Why?

so distribution is the primary concern. if it is based on money, than only the few elites get to fuck
if it is mandated you get couplings that are out of touch with merits.

so it should be a healthy mix of the above solutions, meaning
the first picks of a batch of females will be determined by financial contributions as
well as some degree of social score(being a convicted criminal(thief/murderer) should lower one's score)

With elite rule the elite males would get to pick first freely. You can have an official class system like the following

An: senator of rank n
Bn: first successor to senator n
BmN+n: successor m+1 to senator n
C0: approved by the senate the highest levels of service but not yet selected to be A or B citizen.
C1: approved to be judge or high official.
C2: citizens allowed to carry heavy weapons
C3: citizen allowed to carry light weapons.
C4: full citizenship.
C5: permanent residence.
C6: temporary residence (can be extended by paying fee).
D0: very high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C0/higher. Will instead be given C2 citizenship at 16
D1: high-value child/teen under guardianship/custody of C1/higher. Will instead be given C3 citizenship at 16.
D2: high-value individual reduced to property of C0 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D3: valuable individual reduced to property of C1 or higher for an indefinite period of time.
D4: individual (such as a child) where C4 or higher have custody. Will instead be given C4 citizenship at 16.
D5: slave/child you are not allowed to injure (minor punishments allowed).
D6: slave not allowed to be killed or seriously injure (loss of limb, brain-damage, sterilized, etc).
D7: slave you are not allowed to kill or give serious brain-damage.
D8: slave with no rights.

Em: less/no rights, class m
Fq: military target of value {F0 value}*10^(q/10)

N = the number of senators
0 ⩽ n < N[/QUOTE]

 

[Admin]

Allowing elite males to freely use females
Instead of a female being reduced to property of a specific male there can be females going to school with elite males and then allowing the elite males there to freely have fun with the females without controlling them as property.

Schools can be very useful in letting elite males interact with a lot of females to see which ones are suitable for breeding.

Some females might end up later becoming reduced to property of a single male for breeding while others are merely groped occasionally. This unpredictability in how far the males will go will create a lot of excitement for the females.

 

[Admin]

The problem with collective ownership over females
A single female can only get pregnant with one male at a time, this makes collective ownership prone to conflict among the owners due to males not wanting someone else to make a female pregnant.

One potential way around this is to simply have males be more patient and have a single female be impregnated many times by different males. You do not however need collective ownership for this. You also need to determine who is going to get to impregnate her first.

One potential way around this problem is to have males that are genetically very close to each other share a female, that will reduce the degree in which competition for mating is selected for by genetic evolution.

 

[Admin]

Breeding schools
You can simply let every male student of a highschool have sex with any females including trying to make her pregnant.

More males will try to impregnate the more attractive females which will incentivize males to instead go for less attractive ones since they instead generally offer higher chance of pregnancy, there would be a natural nash equilibrium in terms of how sexually active each female is forced to be.

The government would still regulate which males are allowed to attand each school in the first place.

Everyone would be checked for STDs when entering the school.

Males ill-suited for reproduction could be forcefully transition (outright force or as a requirement for entry) and then get the same rights as the other females (being fucked by anyone who wants that).

The males at the breeding schools would be of similar age as the females allowing young males to have a lot of fun with different females. A lot of teen girls would probably end up enjoying it too, sounds fun to me.

The parents of the children would be allowed to (but not required) to take part in raising the children, they would decide how much time to spend with them and what help they need from the school/government for it.

 

[Admin]

maybe I should say the opposite of what I think seeing as you love to argue whatever opinion I put out

disagreements can be minor/insignificant.

Also: you can quote people on a forum even if you agree on them.

 

[Creamer]

it would be super cool if there was a way to grow females using plants.
so they would be like vegetables or even fairies.

 

[Admin]

The morality of reducing females to property for others to enjoy
The rational way to evaluate this in terms of what's ideal for a global society is to assume you are going to live another life as a random human with no memory of any past life.

Let's say you get the following quality of lives

Individual                      QoL
Free male not owning anyone     1
Free male with female slave     1.6
Free male with male slave       1.1
Female owned by male            0.8
Male owned by male              0.4
Free female not owning anyone   1
Free female with female slave   1.06
Free female with male slave     1.1
Male owned by female            1.1
Female owned by female          0.6

Here the best arrangement is to have a male own a female sex slave since that results in the most overall fun. It's worth implementing even if you as likely to reincarnate as a female sex slave as you are to reincarnate as the male owning her.

But we don't actually have the real QoL figures for the various arrangements yet so we can only guess at this point.

It is worth noting that there are people who very much disagree with this evaluation method in terms of what we should do but then they have to resort to nonsensical deontological arguments instead.

 

[Admin]

Reddit criticism by Any_Dark3939
You said in a forum post (that I will gladly share if proof is needed) and I quote

Well there are some people that find young girls very much sexually appealing (the real pedophiles) most people including me prefer females with nice curves. We want nice breasts to touch, we want as nice as. We want to make her pregnant.

Currently most girls are raised by their parents up to age 18 but maybe it would make more sense to have some other male take over the responsibility from age 9 to 13. He could then enjoy himself a lot in full control over the girl and it would be significantly less work needed for parents. This could also be very useful in making more babies if the females are handed to males that want to make them pregnant.

I offer this as a response

The statement you've presented is highly problematic and raises serious ethical, legal, and social concerns. Let's break down why this perspective is deeply flawed and why it should be vehemently argued against:

Violation of Rights and Autonomy: Suggesting that girls should be handed over to other males from ages 9 to 13 implies a complete disregard for their rights, autonomy, and basic human dignity. Children, regardless of gender, have the right to grow up in a safe and nurturing environment, guided by responsible caregivers who prioritize their well-being and development. This proposal strips away the fundamental right of children to be protected and cared for by their own families.

Potential for Abuse and Exploitation: Placing girls in the care of unrelated males opens up the possibility of abuse, exploitation, and manipulation. Children are particularly vulnerable to abuse when entrusted to individuals who do not have their best interests at heart. This proposal ignores the alarming statistics of child abuse and the devastating long-term effects it can have on victims.

Pedophilia and Legal Implications: The suggestion of males taking control of girls for the purpose of "enjoying themselves" and potentially impregnating them is not only morally repugnant but also illegal in most jurisdictions. It promotes a dangerous narrative that normalizes predatory behavior and undermines legal protections established to safeguard children from sexual exploitation.

Gender Equality and Stereotyping: This statement perpetuates harmful gender stereotypes and inequalities by implying that males should have dominion over females' lives and reproductive choices. It disregards the progress made towards gender equality and reinforces outdated patriarchal attitudes that undermine the rights and agency of women and girls.

Social and Psychological Impact: Being subjected to such practices can have profound psychological and emotional consequences for girls. It can lead to feelings of powerlessness, trauma, and a distorted sense of self-worth. Healthy development relies on nurturing environments that promote safety, trust, and positive relationships with caregivers, not arbitrary transfers of responsibility based on gender.

Reproductive Rights: Suggesting that transferring girls to males for the purpose of increasing childbirth rates is ethically dubious and ignores the concept of reproductive autonomy. Women and girls have the right to make informed choices about their bodies, reproductive health, and family planning, free from coercion or external control.

In conclusion, the idea proposed in the statement is not only morally reprehensible but also dangerous and illegal. It undermines the principles of child welfare, human rights, gender equality, and individual autonomy. Responsible upbringing involves nurturing, protecting, and guiding children with care and respect, not subjecting them to potential harm or exploitation under the guise of reducing parental workload or achieving reproductive goals. Such views should be strongly opposed and countered with arguments that uphold the rights and dignity of every child and individual.

 

[Admin]

Suggesting that girls should be handed over to other males from ages 9 to 13 implies a complete disregard for their rights, autonomy, and basic human dignity.

The point of the post is thread is to explore the consequences of abandoning female sexual freedom completely. It's not an endorcement of that particular policy.

Potential for Abuse and Exploitation: Placing girls in the care of unrelated males opens up the possibility of abuse, exploitation, and manipulation. Children are particularly vulnerable to abuse when entrusted to individuals who do not have their best interests at heart. This proposal ignores the alarming statistics of child abuse and the devastating long-term effects it can have on victims.

Yes raising females away from parents does often lead to abuse. When the person isn't genetically related there is less of an innate drive to take care of said person.

But if the male actually owns her as property he would also have an incentive to at least keep her alive so he continue to enjoy himself (at least until she stops being attractive to him).

Reproductive Rights: Suggesting that transferring girls to males for the purpose of increasing childbirth rates is ethically dubious and ignores the concept of reproductive autonomy. Women and girls have the right to make informed choices about their bodies, reproductive health, and family planning, free from coercion or external control.

Human females doesn't always have those rights.

We do see in the west that granting females those right doesn't really work out too well since it leads to low birthrates, specially among the females we actually want to reproduce the most.

Gender Equality and Stereotyping: This statement perpetuates harmful gender stereotypes and inequalities by implying that males should have dominion over females' lives and reproductive choices. It disregards the progress made towards gender equality and reinforces outdated patriarchal attitudes that undermine the rights and agency of women and girls.

Actually giving the power to random males might not work either. In Rome patrician males often forced females they controlled to have abortions which was utterly disastrous.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EEQBy0b7ifw

So the state would need to make sure the males who got to control them more directly are suitable males for it or it's not going to work out particularly well.

idea proposed in the statement is not only morally reprehensible but also dangerous and illegal

There are no speech regulations making anything here illegal but of course laws would need to change for any of these ideas to materialize (in western countries).

 

[Admin]

We don't have to reduce more than 10% of the female population to breeding 'slaves'
When it comes to population growth forcing 5% of the female population to have 20 children on average each via forced breeding is actually enough to get sup replacement fertility (3.2 to 5).

Less draconian measures could work but then they would have to be applied to a lot more people which would be worse in terms of eugenics.

But regardless is there even any benefit to reducing all females to property besides sexual enjoyment for some people?

Also: preventing most females from effectively working would be bad for the economy.

One potential future alternative to forced breeding is to use advanced artificial wombs. Than can work as a temporary solution but we do not want to become dependent on such technology.

 

[asbestos]

I believe sexual liberation was abandoned during 2014, some people say "it failed" and the intellectual apparatus literally didnt say much at all, I would have expected these teachers and amazon book authors to talk about it, they just silently disappeared and didnt utter a word about the system they promoted hard for decades... incels too didnt notice, onely me and a second incel noticed it but we are both excluded from mainstream incel discussions.

nobody basically noticed sexual liberation is over since quite a while.