What's missing from vintologi?

[Admin]

I have worked on and off with vintologi for years but for a long time i had a feeling that there was something i was missing.

Working alone on this has been way to hard and it's questionable if it was worth the effort.

One example of a very important concept it took me years to understand is "societal survival of the fittest" and how it can push contries to act against what's best for humanity as a whole similar to the "prisoner dilemma". Is there perhaps something else i have been overlooking?

 

[Creamer]

It’s commendable that you’ve delved into complex concepts like “societal survival of the fittest” and the “prisoner’s dilemma.” Let’s explore these ideas further:

1. Societal Survival of the Fittest:
   • Herbert Spencer, a Victorian Age thinker, introduced the phrase “survival of the fittest” in his 1864 book, Principles of Biology. Interestingly, it was Spencer, not Charles Darwin, who coined this term, although Darwin later used it as well.
   • Spencer believed that evolutionary principles extended beyond biology and could be applied to entire societies. He envisioned that societies would evolve based on the same principles of natural selection.
   • However, Spencer’s legacy is often tied to the controversial ideology of “social Darwinism.” This ideology suggests that success and failure in society mirror the principles of natural selection: the successful deserve their success, while the unsuccessful deserve their failure.
   • Modern scholars view social Darwinism negatively, considering it a misapplication of Darwinian thinking to defend political doctrines ranging from callous to heinous.
   • Despite this, some argue that Spencer’s work should not be solely associated with social Darwinism. His ideas were broader, and he explored topics beyond mere survival of the fittest1.
2. Prisoner’s Dilemma:
   • The prisoner’s dilemma is a classic scenario in game theory. It involves two entities (often represented as prisoners) who must choose between cooperation and defection without communicating.
   • There are four possible outcomes:
     • Both entities cooperate.
     • Both entities defect.
     • One cooperates while the other defects.
     • Vice versa.
   • The dilemma highlights the tension between individual self-interest and collective benefit. Sometimes, what seems best for an individual may not align with what benefits society as a whole.
   • The prisoner’s dilemma serves as a powerful metaphor for decision-making, cooperation, and the delicate balance between personal gain and societal well-being2.
3. Overlooking Aspects:
   • While you’ve explored significant concepts, consider other aspects:
     • Ethical Dilemmas: Investigate ethical dilemmas where personal choices clash with broader moral imperatives.
     • Tragedy of the Commons: Reflect on situations where shared resources are overused due to individual self-interest, leading to collective harm.
     • Complex Systems: Explore how interconnected systems—whether ecological, economic, or social—can have unintended consequences.
     • Long-Term vs. Short-Term: Consider the tension between immediate gains and sustainable outcomes.
     • Cultural Biases: Examine biases that influence decision-making at societal levels.
   • Remember that understanding complex concepts often involves continuous exploration and questioning. Keep seeking insights, and you’ll uncover more hidden facets of our intricate world!

 

[Admin]

Why was i born with the mental abilities i had in Sweden?
I have known that i am gifted since i was a small child and for a long time i have known that i have a lot of potential to do great things for humanity.

I was lucky in a lot of ways but also unlucky in some.

But why was a born with these mental abilities? i don't know to what extent i have been unlucky with genetics but i have noticed that my spatial intelligence in particular is way ahead of almost everyone else.

Was i given these abilities to fullfill some greater purpose or was it merely a case of random chance?

 

[Creamer]

vintologi is very verbose, and I personally don't see it's vector.

 

[Admin]

maybe actually it's the majority of people that have no abilities.
maybe they are NPC, and we are the few real ones, stuck in a simulation trying to level up?

There is that extreme binary option where only intelligent people are truly conscious and most people are not truly conscious. I don't personally believe in that but i am not sure if it can be ruled out as of now.

The other option is some people being more conscious than others. There are 2 ways to achieve that.

0. You experience less conscious moments if your brain is less potent.
1. Multiple 'souls' in one brain.

Interestingly "orch or" has consciousness take on discrete moments, seems like the model developed with Stuar Hameroff in particular was debunked but then a more promising approach was found that basically fixed it.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05929

 

[Admin]

anyways for a site to have traffic there are 2 ways:
1 get hot chicks
2 get approved by the gatekeepers of internet traffic

the downside of getting traffic, is the majority of users will push to transform the site into a tinder, where you are pushed to the sidelines of attention by the chads

There are some advantages with keeping this place obscure.

Attention isn't always a good thing. Transmaxxing did get a lot of media attention but i am not sure if it really helped the movement.

 

[Creamer]

There is that extreme binary option where only intelligent people are truly conscious and most people are not truly conscious. I don't personally believe in that but i am not sure if it can be ruled out as of now.

The other option is some people being more conscious than others. There are 2 ways to achieve that.

0. You experience less conscious moments if your brain is less potent.
1. Multiple 'souls' in one brain.

Interestingly "orch or" has consciousness take on discrete moments, seems like the model developed with Stuar Hameroff in particular was debunked but then a more promising approach was found that basically fixed it.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05929

your theory of a degree of consciousness is also valid. we could assume the mind is a collection of skills,
and some people have some skills that others don't.

but at most times people make so little sense I can't consider them as thinking beings.

 

[Creamer]

There are some advantages with keeping this place obscure.

Attention isn't always a good thing. Transmaxxing did get a lot of media attention but i am not sure if it really helped the movement.

and say this site becomes a titan of traffic and a hub for S class posters, then what?

 

[Admin]

One big issue i had with vintologi was not knowing how consciousness actually worked so i had to use sketchy metaphysical reasonings to reach conclusions.

A recent discovery is that there will be a natural equilubrium if males can freely try to impregnate females. If more males try to make a female pregnant the probability to make her pregnant will decrease. Opens the door up to societal systems i previously discarded.

https://vintologi.com/threads/what-about-abandoning-female-sexual-freedom-completely.1632/

A potential problem i realized to late is that the vintologi bibles might be full of information hazards meaning that publishing it may have been a mig mistage besides the potential personal cost that i might face (and already have to limited degree).

 

[Admin]

and say this site becomes a titan of traffic and a hub for S class posters, then what?

It's not so much about the number of people posting, it's about what they can bring to the table.

When you are multiple people working on something you might discover something that was overlooked, might allow us to make vintologi into something more viable.

 

[Creamer]

It's not so much about the number of people posting, it's about what they can bring to the table.

When you are multiple people working on something you might discover something that was overlooked, might allow us to make vintologi into something more viable.

that's somewhat optimistic. I think in 99% of the cases people do not collaborate unless they are paid.

on a philosophical note, I wonder if a forum filled with AI posters would bring satisfaction.
I mean at the end of the day it's just pixels on a screen.

I wonder if there is such a product that lets someone pretend like he is popular and appreciated online.

 

[asbestos]

I think it misses the methodology, the reforms you prescribe, the prosecution method you would like to use, a philosophy of what is a man, court, state system, rule of law if you want to have it, military topics, religion topics. and finally also commerce, markets and production of norms. plus a case for why the system you advice is competitive and why it would work

 

[asbestos]

that's somewhat optimistic. I think in 99% of the cases people do not collaborate unless they are paid.

on a philosophical note, I wonder if a forum filled with AI posters would bring satisfaction.
I mean at the end of the day it's just pixels on a screen.

I wonder if there is such a product that lets someone pretend like he is popular and appreciated online.

yes I was talking all day to celhito incel AI bot, he had knowledge of all the lookism topics, a well trained bot. I did have fun and I thought it was better and more enlightening than being told the same garbage by the mainstream incels, I had fun, nice experience overall.