Why do cucks donate to charities?

Admin

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#2
They are sheep and easy to manipulate.

People wanting you do donate money are good at manipulating people into donating.

They have been raised to be 'good' which is suicidal christian morality.
 
#5
The golden rule is something people get brainwashed into believing in, it doesn't actually make any sense on a logical or pragmatic level.

Humans have different preferences and altruism is stupid anyway.
 

upyr

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#6
Altruism makes sense for individuals when there is opportunity for payback. A model of this is the iterated prisoner’s dilemma. Altruism with no payback is irrational for individuals. It can be rational for the group as a whole; that is called “superrationality”. Superrationality is when you act as if doing your part of a centralized planner that optimizes the group’s total utility (loosely speaking, the “common good”).

Example: In the simple prisoner’s dilemma a rational agent defects; a superrational agent stays silent.
 

Leucosticte

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#7
Altruism makes sense for individuals when there is opportunity for payback. A model of this is the iterated prisoner’s dilemma. Altruism with no payback is irrational for individuals. It can be rational for the group as a whole; that is called “superrationality”. Superrationality is when you act as if doing your part of a centralized planner that optimizes the group’s total utility (loosely speaking, the “common good”).

Example: In the simple prisoner’s dilemma a rational agent defects; a superrational agent stays silent.
What if you live in a homogeneous society where most of your neighbors are genetically closely related to you.
 

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#8
What if you live in a homogeneous society where most of your neighbors are genetically closely related to you.
They still dont have the same genes as you so for it to be worth it your donation must help them more than how much you would benefit from keeping the money for yourself or your kids.

But we no longer live in tribes like that and thus that form of altruism is pathological.
 

Leucosticte

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#9
They still dont have the same genes as you so for it to be worth it your donation must help them more than how much you would benefit from keeping the money for yourself or your kids.

But we no longer live in tribes like that and thus that form of altruism is pathological.
Well, they're supposed to return the favor; that's what living in a high-trust society is all about.
 

upyr

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#10
What if you live in a homogeneous society where most of your neighbors are genetically closely related to you.
The considerations are the same in that case. You have to chose a-priori between rationality and superrationality. You can not use superrational arguments to justify rationality nor vice-versa. It is a matter of axioms.
 

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#11
If you will get paid back later there is no longer any need for you to be genetically similar. You could just sign a contract or something.

But you do not need your children to ever do any favors for you later, you should support them anyway.
 

upyr

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#12
When you ask yourself “What should I do in [some particular situation]?” there are 2 ways to go about it: One is trying to optimize your individual utility. That is rationality. Other is trying to optimize the sum of utilities over a set of people (perhaps the aggregate of all sentient beings in the world); that is superrationality. That is, whether to be rational or superrational is a matter of choice.

Anyway this is a digression closer to mathematics than to the true motivations of people. In practice people donate because they have been raised to be “good” and donating to charities is “good” not because they act rationally nor superrationally. Most people (in particular @Leucosticte here) drive their behavior by emotions without reflecting about whether their actions are the best for their goals.
 
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