Why FtM transition is a bad idea
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Mentally ill and dysphoric ftm thinking of detransition
The following was posted on reddit. He/she later ended up detransitioning even though she clearly had gender dysphoria prior to taking testosterone. You having been dysphoric prior to transitioning does not mean you will not regret it
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2lDXV-Yk8YwJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/cueezh/mentally_ill_and_dysphoric_ftm_thinking_of
I’m dysphoric and have been on t 2 years. I have a lot of mental health issues other than being trans, mostly very low self worth and horrible social anxiety.. the anxiety has been so bad I’ve even considered dropping out of college tbh.
Transitioning was probably the worst mistake of my life, other than an abusive relationship. I lost my entire family who kicked me out when I was in high school (this event started the social isolation). We’re on a little better terms but they act like strangers and my mom doesn’t say a word if I’m there. It’s gotten to the point where I feel like all my memories with them are fake.
I was so much more liked and valued as a girl. People cared about my emotions. I’m not into guys so I’d be upset a lot when I tried to befriend guys and they’d hit on me, or only pretend to care about me to try to fuck me. I think that might’ve been a major reason I transitioned in the first place.
I miss friendships w girls. I never felt like one of them but i feel like any girl could walk into a room and start taking to any girl, since they have something in common. Girls hate me now. Old friends are “friendly” but have distanced themselves from me so we never see each other irl. Any girls I’ve tried to befriend give me short uninterested replies, and I wanna be like “I just wanna talk, I’m not even attracted/hitting on you!”
I’m going into college this year and am thinking about stopping HRT so I can actually be able to make friends. I’ve been living as a guy for 2 years and have been nothing but lonely and miserable. The world is only made for guys if you’re social, successful and attractive.
Yeah my body dysphoria will probably be awful if I stop T but I’m thinking it’s better than being miserable forever. I wish I could just be a lesbian and be happy with myself. Anyone else feel like this ever?
If I could 1. figure out how to not care about how men think of me and not feel dysphoric when they treat me like a female, nd 2. get over my genital dysphoria, I think I could live as female.
The following was posted on reddit. He/she later ended up detransitioning even though she clearly had gender dysphoria prior to taking testosterone. You having been dysphoric prior to transitioning does not mean you will not regret it
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2lDXV-Yk8YwJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/cueezh/mentally_ill_and_dysphoric_ftm_thinking_of
I’m dysphoric and have been on t 2 years. I have a lot of mental health issues other than being trans, mostly very low self worth and horrible social anxiety.. the anxiety has been so bad I’ve even considered dropping out of college tbh.
Transitioning was probably the worst mistake of my life, other than an abusive relationship. I lost my entire family who kicked me out when I was in high school (this event started the social isolation). We’re on a little better terms but they act like strangers and my mom doesn’t say a word if I’m there. It’s gotten to the point where I feel like all my memories with them are fake.
I was so much more liked and valued as a girl. People cared about my emotions. I’m not into guys so I’d be upset a lot when I tried to befriend guys and they’d hit on me, or only pretend to care about me to try to fuck me. I think that might’ve been a major reason I transitioned in the first place.
I miss friendships w girls. I never felt like one of them but i feel like any girl could walk into a room and start taking to any girl, since they have something in common. Girls hate me now. Old friends are “friendly” but have distanced themselves from me so we never see each other irl. Any girls I’ve tried to befriend give me short uninterested replies, and I wanna be like “I just wanna talk, I’m not even attracted/hitting on you!”
I’m going into college this year and am thinking about stopping HRT so I can actually be able to make friends. I’ve been living as a guy for 2 years and have been nothing but lonely and miserable. The world is only made for guys if you’re social, successful and attractive.
Yeah my body dysphoria will probably be awful if I stop T but I’m thinking it’s better than being miserable forever. I wish I could just be a lesbian and be happy with myself. Anyone else feel like this ever?
If I could 1. figure out how to not care about how men think of me and not feel dysphoric when they treat me like a female, nd 2. get over my genital dysphoria, I think I could live as female.
Are men treated better than women? A trans man's point of view.
The following story was written by an FtM individual thinking transitioning to male was a good idea:
I've always thought that sexism, be is misogyny or misandry, can best be understood through experience. I am transsexual which means that I have experienced both being perceived as a woman and a man by society. So here's my experience and the reason I'm an MRA.
Background
I'm ftm transsexual. I spent the first 18 years of my life as a girl/woman and these last 2 as a man.
The good aspect of being a woman
Most people treated me very well. Those who didn't mistreated me because I'm autistic, not because I was a girl. I was never made to feel bad whenever I asked for help, people were happy to help me. Guys were happy to help with emotional issues particularly. Whenever I was having a bad day, they were happy to talk with me and keep me company. Overall, my mental health and well-being was taken more seriously. Additionally, it was easier to make friends. From what I can tell, others just felt more comfortable around me and felt safer sharing their problems with me.
The bad aspects of being a woman
I honestly can't think of anything. I've never experienced misogyny. I wasn't exactly attractive so I never got any sexual/romantic attention from guys be that positive or negative. The only thing I can think of was that a few girls at school were mean to me but again that's because of my mental disability, not because I was a girl. That and they were just shitty friends in general. I think this too would have been worse if I was attractive as I would have been seen as competition.
My bad experiences as a man
Socially, nothing really improved. I hear some people say that men are taken more seriously with certain things, especially when it comes to the workplace, but at my work men and women are treated the same. I feel more confident now, but that's because my gender dysphoria has lessoned considerably.
I don't feel comfortable asking for help anymore, especially when it comes to mental health. Whenever I do people are less enthusiastic about helping me. I've also seen a decrease in the quality of help I receive. I also find that it's harder to talk to people. It's like they just aren't as comfortable around me and don't trust me as much. It's hard to make friends compared to a few years ago. People overall treat me neutrally and sometimes slightly negatively. I've noticed strangers are more wary around me. Nothing like pulling their kids away or clutching their purses harder, but they tend to stay at a farther distance and don't make eye contact with me as often (not that I mind, but it is something I've noticed).
Final thoughts
It was a jarring experience. I went from being treated like how a person should be treated (trusted, listened to, etc.) to being treated, well, like a man. In my experience I have been treated far worse as a man. I by no means regret transitioning in any way, but I really wish someone would have prepared me for this.
Keep in mind, these experiences are my own. For others it can be much different. Additionally, I've only been a man for two years now so maybe that "male privilege" I keep hearing about will kick in sometime soon (that's a joke of course). That or I'll experience more and worse misandry, especially as I get further along in my transition and become even more masculine.
The following story was written by an FtM individual thinking transitioning to male was a good idea:
I've always thought that sexism, be is misogyny or misandry, can best be understood through experience. I am transsexual which means that I have experienced both being perceived as a woman and a man by society. So here's my experience and the reason I'm an MRA.
Background
I'm ftm transsexual. I spent the first 18 years of my life as a girl/woman and these last 2 as a man.
The good aspect of being a woman
Most people treated me very well. Those who didn't mistreated me because I'm autistic, not because I was a girl. I was never made to feel bad whenever I asked for help, people were happy to help me. Guys were happy to help with emotional issues particularly. Whenever I was having a bad day, they were happy to talk with me and keep me company. Overall, my mental health and well-being was taken more seriously. Additionally, it was easier to make friends. From what I can tell, others just felt more comfortable around me and felt safer sharing their problems with me.
The bad aspects of being a woman
I honestly can't think of anything. I've never experienced misogyny. I wasn't exactly attractive so I never got any sexual/romantic attention from guys be that positive or negative. The only thing I can think of was that a few girls at school were mean to me but again that's because of my mental disability, not because I was a girl. That and they were just shitty friends in general. I think this too would have been worse if I was attractive as I would have been seen as competition.
My bad experiences as a man
Socially, nothing really improved. I hear some people say that men are taken more seriously with certain things, especially when it comes to the workplace, but at my work men and women are treated the same. I feel more confident now, but that's because my gender dysphoria has lessoned considerably.
I don't feel comfortable asking for help anymore, especially when it comes to mental health. Whenever I do people are less enthusiastic about helping me. I've also seen a decrease in the quality of help I receive. I also find that it's harder to talk to people. It's like they just aren't as comfortable around me and don't trust me as much. It's hard to make friends compared to a few years ago. People overall treat me neutrally and sometimes slightly negatively. I've noticed strangers are more wary around me. Nothing like pulling their kids away or clutching their purses harder, but they tend to stay at a farther distance and don't make eye contact with me as often (not that I mind, but it is something I've noticed).
Final thoughts
It was a jarring experience. I went from being treated like how a person should be treated (trusted, listened to, etc.) to being treated, well, like a man. In my experience I have been treated far worse as a man. I by no means regret transitioning in any way, but I really wish someone would have prepared me for this.
Keep in mind, these experiences are my own. For others it can be much different. Additionally, I've only been a man for two years now so maybe that "male privilege" I keep hearing about will kick in sometime soon (that's a joke of course). That or I'll experience more and worse misandry, especially as I get further along in my transition and become even more masculine.
Dating as androphilic FtM
You will not be a total incel but your dating options will still not be great, not even close.
u/HomersDonutMan wrote:
Trans people overestimate the willingness of cis people to date/be intimate with trans people.
I will say that this is almost exclusively talking about FtMs because I have no idea how everything works with trans women and that's not my territory. However, I see a lot of FTMs say that there are many cis people that will date and be intimate with trans people when that's simply not true. There are a shit ton of fetishists that don't see us as male and just want to get off or feed into their own sexual/romantic fantasies and that's different than a healthy relationship.
At least from the homosexual point of view, most gay cis men aren't into trans men even post op from what I've seen. The ones that do are bottoms that mysteriously will top trans men (even after being told by the trans guy that they are not a bottom) or creepy dudes that have basically been blocked by most of the local community.
Maybe it's just me, but I've found trans people who have been around longer and been transitioning longer attest to this too.
Edit: Most of the people insulting me have said previously they would never date another trans person which further proves my point, but ok.
You will not be a total incel but your dating options will still not be great, not even close.
u/HomersDonutMan wrote:
Trans people overestimate the willingness of cis people to date/be intimate with trans people.
I will say that this is almost exclusively talking about FtMs because I have no idea how everything works with trans women and that's not my territory. However, I see a lot of FTMs say that there are many cis people that will date and be intimate with trans people when that's simply not true. There are a shit ton of fetishists that don't see us as male and just want to get off or feed into their own sexual/romantic fantasies and that's different than a healthy relationship.
At least from the homosexual point of view, most gay cis men aren't into trans men even post op from what I've seen. The ones that do are bottoms that mysteriously will top trans men (even after being told by the trans guy that they are not a bottom) or creepy dudes that have basically been blocked by most of the local community.
Maybe it's just me, but I've found trans people who have been around longer and been transitioning longer attest to this too.
Edit: Most of the people insulting me have said previously they would never date another trans person which further proves my point, but ok.
Why we need to ban FtM transition
A good government should have the authority to ban harmful medical treatments, this includes FtM transition (with few/no exceptions)
0. FtM transition is detrimental for the fertility-rate in most cases (no good way to preserve fertility).
1. FtM transition makes the incel problem worse.
2. FtM transition result in less beautiful females in society.
3. FtM transition seem to have worse overall outcomes in studies.
4. FtM transition generally rely more on irreversible surgeries (such as mastectomies leaving permanent scars).
5. The effects from testosterone are much harder (if not impossible) to reverse than the effects from estrogen. A lot of AFAB individuals will get ruined for life just from taking testosterone.
6. Testosterone comes with various negative health complications 60 61 62 63 64
A good government should have the authority to ban harmful medical treatments, this includes FtM transition (with few/no exceptions)
0. FtM transition is detrimental for the fertility-rate in most cases (no good way to preserve fertility).
1. FtM transition makes the incel problem worse.
2. FtM transition result in less beautiful females in society.
3. FtM transition seem to have worse overall outcomes in studies.
4. FtM transition generally rely more on irreversible surgeries (such as mastectomies leaving permanent scars).
5. The effects from testosterone are much harder (if not impossible) to reverse than the effects from estrogen. A lot of AFAB individuals will get ruined for life just from taking testosterone.
6. Testosterone comes with various negative health complications 60 61 62 63 64
FtM surgery: damned if you do, damned if you don't
With FtM transition people go into a path where there isn't any good way to continue said path, no matter what turn they take it will be bad with the best option often being to turn straight back, unfortunately once they have had genital or chest surgery it's too late for that, you cannot just go back after that.
Even if an FtM is able to pass facially they will not be able to pass with a bare chest, either they will have significant breasts outing them or they will have mastectomy scars outing them, this will become a worse problem as people learn that these scars are due to FtM transition.
The FtM bottom surgery options are even worse than the MtF options and it's also less viable not to have bottom surgery as FtM. You are not a real man if you don't have a real dick.
With FtM transition people go into a path where there isn't any good way to continue said path, no matter what turn they take it will be bad with the best option often being to turn straight back, unfortunately once they have had genital or chest surgery it's too late for that, you cannot just go back after that.
Even if an FtM is able to pass facially they will not be able to pass with a bare chest, either they will have significant breasts outing them or they will have mastectomy scars outing them, this will become a worse problem as people learn that these scars are due to FtM transition.
The FtM bottom surgery options are even worse than the MtF options and it's also less viable not to have bottom surgery as FtM. You are not a real man if you don't have a real dick.
No good options for fertility preservation
In order to reproduce as a female having eggs stored is not enough, you also need a womb. If you are not willing to get pregnant yourself you will need to find someone else for that which will be expensive.
For most people born female the only practical way to reproduce is to rely on their own reproductive organs.
Loss of fertility among people born female is also more problematic for society since females are the reproductive bottleneck and the fertility is below replacement in most western countries. FtM transitions make this even worse.
In order to reproduce as a female having eggs stored is not enough, you also need a womb. If you are not willing to get pregnant yourself you will need to find someone else for that which will be expensive.
For most people born female the only practical way to reproduce is to rely on their own reproductive organs.
Loss of fertility among people born female is also more problematic for society since females are the reproductive bottleneck and the fertility is below replacement in most western countries. FtM transitions make this even worse.
Will extended testosterone usage cause you to need to have an hysterectomy?
I have read from unreliable sources that if you are on testosterone for too long when born female you might end up needing an hysterestomy due to how it affects your reproductive organs.
I havn't found any formal study on this but i did find this anectdodte which is probably just one of many cases like that:
https://ryansallans.com/transgender-support/hysterectomy/
I have read from unreliable sources that if you are on testosterone for too long when born female you might end up needing an hysterestomy due to how it affects your reproductive organs.
I havn't found any formal study on this but i did find this anectdodte which is probably just one of many cases like that:
https://ryansallans.com/transgender-support/hysterectomy/
The emptycel case
He/she transitioned to male and unsurprisingly ended up as incel
https://www.reddit.com/user/emptycel
She tried to make some activists to improve the treatment of males (especially incels) which of course ended in total failure.
He/she transitioned to male and unsurprisingly ended up as incel
https://www.reddit.com/user/emptycel
She tried to make some activists to improve the treatment of males (especially incels) which of course ended in total failure.
