Chicks are creeped out by marriage proposals

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In the past, states used to have to pass laws saying that if you seduced a chick by making a false promise of marriage to her, you could either be prosecuted or forced into a shotgun marriage to her. Girls apparently found marriage proposals so alluring that it would make them drop their panties right then and there, because they were so excited about getting wifed up, and the prospect of marriage meant that it would be socially acceptable if they lost their virginity and got knocked up.

Nowadays, if you propose marriage to a chick who's not interested, she'll use that as evidence that you have an unhealthy obsession with her.

In contrast, if you told her, "Let's fuck," that would be deemed more normal and socially acceptable. If she told people you hit on her, trying to get her pussy outside of marriage, people would look at that as normal male behavior, as long as you're not more than a couple years older than her, or in a superior position to her in the workplace. At most, it would be deemed worthy of a slap on the wrist, or a gentle "boys will be boys" chiding for being slightly overly aggressive. But people would also kinda respect you for being a man and going after what you wanted.

The guy who proposed marrying her, on the other hand, would be deemed to potentially have a mental problem or be trying to control her or some shit; it would be deemed inappropriate. He would be viewed as a potential stalker, maybe a serial killer, because he wants to OWN her rather than just briefly partaking of her pussy in a casual way with no strings attached. Wanting to start a family with her rather than just defiling her would be considered deviant.

Seriously, if you propose marriage to a chick you're interested in, and she's not interested, she's gonna tell people, and try to get some white knights to defend her from you, because that's deemed to be evidence you might be dangerous or at least you might be the kind of guy who might harass her in a way that makes her feel uncomfortable. The subtext is, she has the right to play the slut with lots of guys rather than settling down, and so it would've been more appropriate if you'd suggested having meaningless sex with her outside the context of any committed relationship.

 

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I think what it is, is that the marriage proposal seems more premeditated. If you were to see a hot chick, and your loins stirred you to ask her, "Wanna fuck," or command her, "Let's fuck," that might be dismissed as just an uninhibited guy brashly trying to get laid on the spur of the moment. After all, aren't the kind of guys who would be so fearless as to proposition chicks like that, also the type to proposition MANY chicks, and so the assumption is that soon enough, he'll be moving on to some other chick, and won't be any more bother?

But if you ask her, "Will you marry me," then the assumption (probably correct) is that you've given a lot of thought to this; and now she has to figure out how to tactfully get rid of you, in a way that deters you from making further attempts but also isn't awkward and won't make you mad. (She probably gives less of a damn about your feeling hurt or hopeless, than she does about making you mad; Elliot didn't kill chicks out of despair or pain, he killed them out of anger, indignation specifically.)

So basically a marriage proposal is more threatening than a proposal for sex. Kinda like how a murderer seems more dangerous than a guy who kills in a fit of anger, or by carelessness, the guy who proposes marriage seems like a greater threat than the guy who proposes no-strings-attached sex.

 

[Leucosticte]

Another aspect of this is that arousal and attraction are two different things; a chick can get aroused by a hot guy and be attracted to a guy with money, for instance.

But the difference is, when she settles down with a betabuxx, she's going to have to deal with responsibilities; e.g. maybe he'll nag her for sex. Or maybe she won't be able to just casually get banged by other guys whenever she wants; she'll have to sneak out for three-hour "trips to the grocery store" when she wants to get with a guy she met on Tinder.

Marriage threatens to confine her, so she finds the thought or proposal of it oppressive and even threatening. It's the same as when a guy tells her he loves her; now maybe he'll get bent out of shape if they have sex and she decides to move on rather than having a committed relationship with him. She might prefer to just keep it casual, e.g. if he's a good-looking loser or she wants to keep riding the carousel rather than settling down. See also https://vintologi.com/threads/even-if-chicks-are-into-you-they-dont-like-for-you-to-tell-them-you-love-them.370/

Roosh used to have an article, "Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement" which he's unpublished, but was still cached.

When you’re gaming at night, it doesn’t matter if you’re the president of a Fortune 500 company or a model photographer, but you should always be playfully indirect when asked about your job, at about the point where she thinks you’re trying to hide something. The reason is because being evasive and shady builds attraction, while answering honestly and directly decreases attraction. Only after you’ve pulled her chain for a while can you reveal the truth in a way that doesn’t try to impress her.

For example, if you’re a computer programmer, don’t say you’re a “Senior project manager for a defense contractor” unless you want to instantly dry up the pussy. Your first answer should be a made-up profession, like organic farmer or seal hunter, then only afterwards when she insists on knowing the truth can you say something self-depreciative like computer drone, cubicle slave, or office monkey, things you can use for just about every profession. Understand that girls get hit with dozens of fancy job titles every week, and the only way to stand out and show you don’t give a fuck about her is to make yourself appear like a loser. It’s ironic but perfectly contrary, and easy to implement into your game starting right now.

(It’s a little different during day pickups, where you don’t want to discourage a sober girl by being overly aloof. If your conversation is serious and barely playful, give a serious answer.)

If you’re unemployed, think for a second about what other unemployed guys say to girls. I’ll go ahead and tell you—they say “I’m between jobs” or “I’m consulting” or they lie outright and say they’re employed. Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Instead you will look her in the eyes and say “I don’t have a job right now.” Then silence. Don’t qualify it and don’t apologize for it. Let it sink in for a few seconds and then change the subject by asking her, “So what do you do?”

The other irony of game is that the unemployed guy will bang the girl faster than the employed guy. When you don’t hit any of her provider buttons, there is no point for her in waiting to bang you since it’s not like you’re going to take her out to dinner (or anywhere else for that matter). As long as she is attracted to you, your chance of a one-night stand is high. Plus your blunt and self-deprecation made her horny, since no other guy has gone out of his way to not impress her, forcing her to subconsciously conclude that you are indeed a high-value male. But if you go on and on about your important job, raising the prospect that she may get some freebies out of you, she will not give you the one-night stand and you’ll be the chump working for the pussy when I fucked it without any effort.

Bottom line is I stay with my dad while in the States because it doesn’t affect my sex life. If anything, I see a positive effect. When a girl finds out I’m a bum that gives her absolute zero hope of a future or anything for free, she opens her legs in four hours or less. Why should she wait? She’s attracted to me and knows she’s not going to get any additional benefits as time goes on. I become an impulse “purchase” like a candy bar in the grocery checkout line.

 

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This part of what Roosh writes is really true: "The only time living with your dad may matter is if the girl wants to get married in the next two years, but if that’s the case I guarantee you she is well past her prime and worn hard from a lot of previous alpha fucking."

Yup. The only chicks who are really gonna pressure you to marry them any time in the near or foreseeable future are the ones who are about to hit the wall. The others will figure, "I can keep riding the carousel and then when I get close to the wall, find some guy to wife me up."

 

[Creamer]

The more chad fucksem the more they bevome expensive and undesirable
Simple alg when you think about it

 

[Leucosticte]

I think what it is, is that the marriage proposal seems more premeditated.

But another thing is, even if it isn't premeditated, if you fall head over heels with a girl and are willing to commit to her immediately, it suggests that you have really strong feelings (stronger than if you just wanted to dump your load in her without a commitment), and/or that you make really rash/hasty decisions and thus might also be unstable enough to kill her or something if she spurns you.

The more you're willing to offer chicks, the more desperate you seem.

 

[Creamer]

Jfl at having oneitis.
If a chick is acting interested in me after
All those years of inceldom it would be more sensible to assume she is mossad from the future or a reletive of galactus