Most people who tell you their IQ are full of shit

[Leucosticte]

I've never met a single person, who said "My IQ is ______" who was able to actually show me a document proving it. They're all like, "Oh, that document probably no longer exists" but they claim to remember seeing it.

I actually have said document; it's on permanent file in the Bureau of Prisons Psychology Data System, and in the court records (sealed, but I could probably get a copy), and I also have a copy of my psych report that they did when I was on supervised release. Back in the day, I scanned all that stuff and posted it to my bliki, but of course my bliki got shoahed and then Anonymous/Antifa/whoever came into my house and destroyed the hard drive that had those records.

It's always in the same range; either 138 or 139. It's been that way since I was a kid.

Anyway, if anyone wants me to photograph it and put in on Imgur, I probably can.

I guess there are a lot of reasonable excuses for why people wouldn't keep such a document around. I mean, a lot of people had psych evaluations done back in the old days, and those records did get thrown out (doctors are allowed to throw out their records after seven years, apparently https://www.apaservices.org/practice/update/2008/09-30/client-record-retention ).

Generally, those records don't get emailed around, because for legal reasons, doctors feel like they should only fax or mail them, since email might breach privacy somehow. So you end up with a paper copy, which could get buried or whatever; and even if you scan it, a scanned copy can get lost in a hard drive crash or whatnot. You basically have to email it to yourself via Gmail or something and then never shut down that email account if you want it to stay around. Back in the old days, most people didn't even have decent scanners; it was basically some $100 piece of shit where you had to scan one page at a time by putting it on a flatbed because there was no feeder; and each page would take like a minute to scan, so if you had, say, 15 pages, you had to invest a quarter of an hour in scanning it.

Sadly, back in the days when I had my bliki, I used to just send people links to documents on my bliki, and all those are broken links now. I never anticipated we were going to have this wave of deplatforming, much less that the deplatforming would extend into my own home in the form of an actual burglary.

Okay, y'know what? Here's one report that says I have an IQ of 139: https://francels.com/w/images/1/18/Morrow_report.pdf

But guess what, this other suggests I'm more in the area of 132 or 135. https://francels.com/w/images/e/e4/Frank_report.pdf

So even I was full of shit, because I really thought I remembered that it had ALWAYS been in the 138/139 range, but here it was a bit lower. If you'd asked me, "How certain are you that your IQ has ALWAYS been tested as 138/139" I would've been like, "I'm positive; I remember it. It was in black and white." When you actually see the document, you see your memory was faulty.

By the way, both of those links will probably be shoahed at some point, due to getting our domain yanked or our webhost service cancelled or whatever, so once again that content will end up offline and potentially lost. The only reason I had a paper copy is that I'm kind of a packrat and actually held onto a few documents like that. But it's easy to lose stuff; e.g. I had another psych report but it's missing the last page, maybe because at some point it was left on a scanner glass or something, and ended up getting separated from the rest of the file. I hate when that shit happens.

 

[Leucosticte]

Any time someone tells me their IQ is >150, my bullshit detector goes into overdrive. Unless they're working as a research professor or something, or they otherwise have some body of work with a lot of concepts I can't understand, I'm going to be really skeptical.

E.g., when Abd Lomax says his IQ is higher than Einstein's, hey, you know, some of the work he does with cold fusion I don't necessarily understand, so maybe he really is that smart. I mean, I just assume that if I look at someone's work and it's like a foreign language, then maybe they do have a higher IQ than mine (i.e. above the 130s range). https://www.reddit.com/r/internetdrama/comments/etwzb4/_/ffqswzb http://coldfusioncommunity.net/reddit/wovigilant/

Still, particularly given his neetness, I'm not going to believe a particular number till I see it in writing, because people's memories of what they saw in a document can be wrong.

 

[goonerbetaboi]

I enjoy Jordan Peterson's ideas on IQ:

 

[Leucosticte]

It can be dangerous to question people's IQ claims: https://www.quora.com/When-people-tell-you-their-IQ-do-you-think-most-are-lying/answer/Trevor-Ray-Slone

I had a former colleague in the Christian philosophy world last year say to me in trying to relate to me that he had a 158 IQ. I simply asked where he was tested. He said he was never tested. The conversation became very uncomfortable for him, and since he was a recovering alcoholic and drug addict that had major insecurities and was in his mid fifties, he became very quickly an enemy and within 3 weeks he had me kicked out of the place I was living since he owned it, excommunicated by the huge church I was going to since he was the main mentor for the 7 pastors on staff, and I spent nearly a month in the homeless shelter in Modesto, CA where I was living and didn't know anyone outside of the church, before having to take up truck driving again to get off the streets. Very few people know their IQ or have ever been tested formally, and since I'm one of the smartest people in the world by definition most assume that I'm being arrogant when I say things about intelligence or IQ. I'm just stating facts. I don't put emotion into my statements about facts, or at least emotion and feeling do not influence my analysis and subsequent conveyance thereof. That's a big social problem for PG people. We are deemed arrogant and narcissistic for being ourselves. We have been given an amazing gift and most of us want to share it with the world, but others tend to be so insecure that they take offense to it. It's like if the NBA shunned LeBron James and Michael Jordan and said to them as young NBA prospects, “We don't like you because you make us feel like we aren't great basketball players. You can live and do whatever else, but don't you dare ever touch a basketball again.” It sounds dumb, but that is very much the same as the internal struggle most all PG people have no choice but to deal with. This is also the biggest reason most of us are extreme loners. We have enough introspective prowess to know to be ourselves, and we can usually only do so by ourselves. I am thankful to have traveled the world (20 countries and 45 US states thus far), worked in over a dozen different industries, lived in over 15 states in America and also in West Berlin, Germany for 5 years as a kid, and lived on the financial spectrum from sleeping on the streets in Indianapolis and on the NYC subway trains, living in homeless shelters in Seattle, Dallas, and Kansas City, living in my car in Los Angeles and Santa Cruz, and also having had jobs in those very places making as much as over $20,000 a month. I've got tons of formal education, including 7 years of graduate school (5 of those years were in 4 different doctorate programs in completely different fields), I'm a Journeyman Licensed electrician, a Class A CDL holder and semi truck driver, I have 4 personal training certifications, and on and on. I've met enough people and been enough places and seen enough things that my intellectual abilities are not nearly as stifled as most, since my social awareness is much more on par with my intellectual level than most people of this category of giftedness. The saddest part is that all those different careers and jobs and moves, to be perfectly blunt, we're merely because I've spent my entire life trying to survive. So many people have wronged me, shut me down, lied to me, used me, and so on, and the 27 years I spent on all those dangerous meds due to misdiagnosis destroyed my marriages, my ability to see my son, my relationships with nearly all friends and every single person in my family…..and when I discovered the misdiagnoses and finally was freed from the meds and became myself for the first time in life at age 33, everyone was there at a distance to remind me constantly that I was a horrible person…..no one wanted to help, or be thankful and joyous with me that I was free and that my life had taken such an amazing turn. My parents still refuse to admit wrongdoing, and my brothers refuse to talk to me unless I apologize for being honest with my parents. I have integrity, and so I simply don't have anyone in my life except an extremely busy best friend that I maybe get to talk to once a month on the phone for 5 minutes, and a few other buddies that have stood by me. I honestly want nothing more than to be a motivational speaker, but my drive to thrive in society is constantly stifled by my hatred for money driven action and selfish ambition. I despise using anything or anyone for personal gain. The few people that know me best, if asked to explain me in one word, would all give the exact same response. They would say, “Trevor is One-Hundred.” I take great care of remain real and to never neglect my integrity even above my own personal comfort. I can personally attest to the fact that a steadfast commitment to integrity above all else comes with nothing less than immense cost in this world, both financially and socially, yet I'd have I no other way. I could easily be financially well off very quickly in many different ways, yet I continue to struggle toward a better me and a better life day by day that continues even in the process thereof to do it in a way that I find morally acceptable, even if no one else understands why. It's not easy at all to choose solitude for the sake of integrity when one has so many hurts and pains involving loneliness and is such an extreme extrovert. Just typing that made me tear up. But it is the way I should be, and thus, I am, mistakes and all.

The irony is that the guy telling this story claims to have an 180 IQ.

 

[adolf512]

I usually score about 140 on online tests (if they measure that high) but i have never done a proper test. It would have to be a test thats more designed for the 130 to 160 range, many are essentially capped at 130 and consists of easy questions only.

High IQ and lack of success in life indicate that something else is wrong with you, otherwise why are yoi not successful?

 

[Leucosticte]

High IQ and lack of success in life indicate that something else is wrong with you, otherwise why are yoi not successful?

Teachers and shrinks will usually make some car analogy, like "You've got an 8-cylinder brain but you're keeping it in first gear" or "You've got an 8-cylinder brain but your GPS is broken."

 

[Oxblood]

You have to provide the Mensa test or you are a fraud