Problems caused by the government's response to the coronavirus

[Leucosticte]

Let's start making a list. For one thing, minor political parties can't even petition to get their candidates on the ballot, so this just reinforces the two-party duopoly, unless the courts step in. Not a big deal, I guess, because there aren't any truly libertarian or neoreactionary parties anyway at this point.

The economic harm is another problem, though. However, most jobs people had were just busywork anyway, I suppose.

Really, the worst problem may be that we didn't rid ourselves of some of the biological dead wood, aka old people whose immune systems are about to give out. I.e., people who look like David Bowman in the penultimate scene of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I guess they just exist so that their families can collect disability money, and/or black people can have jobs taking care of them in nursing homes.

I was reading about this list of pork barrel projects that are now being funded because they got crammed into the coronavirus bill. https://www.boychat.org/oc/messages/129849.htm

I feel like we're being tested to see how we respond to bogus civil emergencies. My mom lost money due to being out of work (even though she's retired, she was working part-time), and she's had to eat the cost of several ballet tickets where the performances were cancelled. But she just blames it on Donald Trump for not taking more aggressive action to keep people at home way back in January. So in other words, like most boomers, she just buys into the media narrative. Donald Trump is arguably the victim of the situation, but he gets the blame.

 

[Leucosticte]

Doesn't it feel like this shutdown is some kind of chess move by the elite? What could they be planning, though?

I'm just thinking, if you shut down everything, then you're cutting off all the ways in which people used to gather in person. Now, I didn't use to gather with people in person much anyway, but imagine if this had happened in 2018. I wouldn't have been able to finish my petition drive that year, and that whole campaign for office wouldn't have happened.

At any rate, the establishment has often tried to keep various groups from getting together in person. For example, they didn't want Roosh and his peeps to get together in February 2016; they got those meetups cancelled.

Anyway, if we had direct democracy, I would be ready to vote to end this shutdown. It's one thing when the government shuts itself down, but now they've shut down much of the economy.

 

[leftyincel2]

Doesn't it feel like this shutdown is some kind of chess move by the elite? What could they be planning, though?

Tryna figure that out for a while
There's only a few pharmaceutical companies and news orgs benefitting from this, but even they would feel the brunt from a continued shutdown.

Now that the government is throwing us into a recession for pretty much no reason, the government now has an opportunity to fundamentally change how people work or not work. To be seen if they make any radical changes though. The government should never waste a good recession. When people are out of work then it can start shifting around labor like pawns. Unfortunately the future seems to be either more make-work jobs, as you mentioned, or sitting at home and praying your dad leaves you his house after he dies of natural causes. We could build a society where basic needs are guaranteed and we can just do necessary societal jobs collectively and eliminate the parasitic/make-work traditional jobs.

 

[Leucosticte]

Tryna figure that out for a while
There's only a few pharmaceutical companies and news orgs benefitting from this.

Now that the government is throwing us into a recession for pretty much no reason, the government now has an opportunity to fundamentally change how people work or not work. To be seen if they make any radical changes though. The government should never waste a good recession.

Sometimes I think they just humiliate us to see how we'll react. Kinda like how in prison, there'll be this guy who's like, "Yeah, I'm a gangsta thug!" talking about how much money and how many women he had on the street; and then after the guy gets a visit from his girlfriend, the correctional officer is like, "Okay, take off all your clothes, and then hold your butt cheeks apart and squat and cough." This is ostensibly to see if he shoved any contraband up his ass during the visit, but some say it's also just to see if he'll comply, and basically put him in his place.

Although tbh I don't know that having to do that is any worse than any of the other orders they make people take while they're in prison. E.g., you also have to piss for the piss test with them watching, which some guys (e.g. me) can't even do, so then they make fun of how you're pee-shy (in addition to writing you up for refusing a drug test).

What I eventually realized was, you don't have a lot to lose by just refusing to cooperate, so the next time I went to prison, I just didn't cooperate with much. I disobeyed a lot of orders and spent the majority of my time in the Special Housing Unit.

Also, you know what's fuckin' retarded? Wikipedia conflates the Special Housing Unit with "solitary confinement" even though prisoners in the SHU almost always have a cellmate. It's like how they conflate the Trump resistance with protests against Donald Trump, as though all it encompassed were street-level action, as opposed to chess moves at a higher level (e.g. the media, PACs, etc.)

 

[Admin]

Now that the government is throwing us into a recession for pretty much no reason

What do you mean by no reason? millions of lives are on the line.

The mortality rate in South Korea is currently 1.6% despite widespread testing (best in the world) and unless drastic measures are implemented 60 to 70 percent of the population will be infected.

Also if governments had acted in time this disaster could have been avoided, in china they are already able to open up their economy becuase they implemented draconian containment measures.

 

[leftyincel2]

@Leucosticte you gonna run for office again?, also why did you choose the 10th last time?

@Admin S Korea tested people who were already worried and got 0.9% mortality for people who weren't already super sick. If it did random testing IFR would most likely be far below 0.9

 

[Leucosticte]

@Leucosticte you gonna run for office again?, also why did you choose the 10th last time?

Partly for old times' sake (I used to live in the 10th, and cast my first vote there, for Libertarian Robert A. Buchanan), partly because I already ran in the 1st (my home district) so wanted to run somewhere else rather than just rehash my 2008 campaign, partly because the 10th is more important (has wealthier people, and important places like CIA headquarters), and partly because Barbara Comstock's race was going to be one of the most-watched because Republicans had controlled that district for decades and it seemed like change was in the air. She was not a popular politician, to say the least; total establishment candidate (and since getting voted out, she's gone into lobbying, I hear).

The politicians I dislike the most are feminist Republicans like her; for that same reason, I was also going to run against Jill Vogel last year since I live in her district, but I ended up dropping out of politics instead due to my mom's job.

 

[leftyincel2]

despite being full of elites and wealthy families,

the 10th is moronic and no one really pays attention to our local elected officials, including me

Partly why I moved out of the 10th is because it is so moronic and full of evil morons

 

[Leucosticte]

despite being full of elites and wealthy families,

the 10th is moronic and no one really pays attention to our local elected officials, including me

Partly why I moved out of the 10th is because it is so moronic and full of evil morons

The 10th is also where Bill Redpath lived; in fact, I petitioned right near his neighborhood. It's a nice area, if you have a bunch of money and don't mind living near a bunch of douchebags.

 

[leftyincel2]

The 10th is also where Bill Redpath lived; in fact, I petitioned right near his neighborhood. It's a nice area, if you have a bunch of money and don't mind living near a bunch of douchebags.

vaguely familiar
I did petitioning in the 10th and 11th for the Green party from 2014-2016
and occasionally ran into libertarians

the greens and libertarians tended to be social outcasts or otherwise eccentric

greens were mostly hippie environmentalists, mixed in with a few tech nerds
wasn't sure about the libertarians, although libertarianism was very popular form 2009-2015ish

 

[Admin]

S Korea tested people who were already worried and got 0.9% mortality for people who weren't already super sick. If it did random testing IFR would most likely be far below 0.9

That's assuming it doesn't overwhelm the hospital system (which it has already started to do in several countries).

The fatality will be well above 1% when the healthcare system collapses by the load in addition to the political cost of having to let people die.

What you are ignoring is the fact that it takes some time before we see the actual fatality rate since it takes about 20 days for you to die after getting infected.

 

[Admin]

People will grasp at straws and tell themselves "it's not that bad" and then find something that confirm that false beliefs such as the fact that only 10 people died due to being infected on the diamond princess cruise ship. Earlier people coped with the German death-rate being low now that rate is 0.96%

Death rate is not only determined by age, if your population in general is unhealthy the death-rate will be far higher. In addition it's likely that the probability of you dying will depend significantly on the dosage (if you get a bigger load you are more likely to die).

 

[Leucosticte]

I think another issue is that it tends to be the proletarian, populist movements that gather together large crowds, while the bourgeoisie would be more inclined to read newspapers and such. So this type of event disfavors everyone but the Jews.

 

[Leucosticte]

Another problem with this situation is that it's getting people into the habit of making lame excuses for stuff. "I couldn't do x, because of the coronavirus." It's like how racism gave people an excuse to forever make an excuse for why they underperform: "It's the lingering effects of past racism" or "Some people today are still racist, and that's why I can't get ahead."

There might even be some truth to these excuses, but people go too far with it.

Now they're talking about not having the Democratic convention on schedule. Is there going to be any Democratic convention at all, or will it be totally canceled, and Biden will just get the nomination automatically? Is this basically a way to avoid a repeat of what happened in 1968, by just not having a gathering that could attract a lot of controversy and protests? Is this how democracy is going to end; with everything getting rigged with the coronavirus as an excuse?

Even during the American Civil War, and many other wars, there were still conventions and elections. We didn't let even the threat of these adversaries bring the process to a stop.

 

[Leucosticte]

Must be really nice to be an old person on disability or a pension or Social Security, or whatever.. you get your direct deposit regardless of other people's losing their jobs, or being delayed in finishing their education so they can start a career..

But this comes back to the issue of younger people not voting. Politicians have no reason to care about them; they only have to cater to the elderly.