What fucked up the manosphere is that men just have a lot of trouble handling sexual envy

Leucosticte

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And really this is also a problem with larger society. Men can't really handle seeing other men getting more or better chicks. It drives them nuts. This is part of why we have these age of consent laws, probably -- men just can't handle seeing other men getting with a hotter and younger chick than the aging, crusty old fat chick they're stuck with.

I'm not even totally exempt from the phenomenon of sexual envy, inasmuch as, when I was a teenage virgin, I had a hard time handling situations where my guitarist/football player buddy would tell me about how he banged some hot chicks, or when we'd be hanging out sometimes when his girlfriend was around and they'd be getting kinda affectionate or whatever in the way they talked to each other. Mainly, though, my resentment toward him because of the latter was just because I felt like a third wheel (since he'd imposed her presence on me without telling me beforehand; it was a dorm room situation where he moved her in without saying anything first), not so much because of envy; the envy made me feel more depressed than angry.

Anyway, there's no way to really organize incels as any kind of brotherhood if chicks are around, because as soon as a chick is around, men try to fight over their position in the hierarchy of who's going to get affection from her, and they hate the men who are more successful. It's kinda retarded, but it's how they are. You see people's true nature in that kind of situation. At least Vintologi admits, we compete with other men for women rather than having solidarity with other men to keep women down. Maybe someday women will be abundant enough, like air or water, that we don't need to fight over them as much, but for now, it's pretty much nature red in tooth and claw, even if there's a superficial veneer of civilization where people a lot of times use their words rather than fists in combat over chicks (although there's also an element of brutality, in that the hottest young chicks continue to go for obnoxious brutes over supreme gentlemen).

The way it is now, though, is that men have an attitude of, "If I can't have her, no one can," and they try to cockblock if they see another man starting to get ahead of them. If they can't block him directly by getting the chick to not like that dude, they'll attack him indirectly by just trying to demoralize him, cut off their friendship with him, badmouth him to mutual friends in the social circle, or say bitter or disparaging stuff to mindfuck him into giving up trying to get with her, or whatever. They'll try to punish him in one way or another for being more successful.

Basically people want you to be incel, or at the very least, they want you to not succeed in any way in which they themselves are not successful, when it comes to chicks. And of course it's the same way with chicks; chicks also are not rooting for you to get with any chick who's prettier than themselves, for instance. They HATE chicks who are prettier than them and attract more male attention, especially from guys they like.
 

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It's kinda funny to see how sexual envy affects men in the incelosphere. If you look at a site like Incels.co, these guys are like, "Well, I can't get any pussy, but I've scored some points in this world by getting guys kicked off of this site who are fakecels." So basically anyone in this world who has enough looks or money to get chicks, they wanna isolate themselves from. They want to only hang out with losers. (Yeah, a few men might be successful but just really ugly, but how often does that really happen; most of these guys are youngcels or broke MGTOWs who just can't afford to buy tail from any of these glorified whores.)

Normally, society has to buy off incels. Young men who can't get pussy are basically a potential liability in the sense that they might rebel at some point, because they don't have as much to lose. So society has to give them welfare or whatever else will give them a cushy enough life that they'll be compliant. Maybe they teach them a religion that says they'll be rewarded in the afterlife.

But the incelosphere will appease incels by saying, "Guess what, you may be incel but at least you get to hang out with your incel brothers and kick out the fakecels; that's something, right?" Incels have lowered their standards, to the point where they don't demand pussy, they don't demand revolution, they don't demand anything really but just their little community, and in fact they're liable to even get kicked out of that for some dumb reason or another.

Not that it matters; most of these guys will either ascend when they get older and more established, or they don't have enough dynamism to really go out and try to do anything anyway. The main advantage of forming a community would've been to at least gather together a couple guys to pull a Klebold and Harris, but discussion of illegal activities is also banned, and anyone pulling such a stunt would be denounced by the leaders of the community, and disowned as a mentally ill fakecel, so so much for that.

This is why no one went ER in 2019 or 2020 -- it was because guys like Sarge were telling everyone, "Don't go ER; people who go ER are pieces of shit and we won't support them." Sarge has been pushing a whitepill where he says that you should focus on lifting or whatever makes you happy even if you have to live a celibate life.

Well, if incels are going to do that, then why should society care about them and their plight? It's when people cause a big ruckus and say, "We won't put up with this" that society pays attention. For example, Democrats give blacks a bunch of free money so that they vote Democratic instead of rioting in the streets (which they've been known to do when they're displeased); what has Trump done for incels to earn their votes? But a lot of incels will vote for Trump, saying, "The establishment doesn't like him, so I've really fucking over the establishment by voting for him." Okay.

Kinda interesting -- Sarge seems to deny that mentalcels exist, because why else would he say about all the mass shooters, "They were motivated by mental illness, not inceldom"?
 
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Probably one reason why Roosh decided to shut down his game forum and unpublish his books is that he didn't want to help other men get laid if he wasn't getting laid. He probably figured, they should've given him enough money to betabuxx if they wanted his help scoring.
 

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There are two kind of incels:
- those who want to drag you down
- sexual competitors, envious of other people’s success
 

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Probably one reason why Roosh decided to shut down his game forum and unpublish his books is that he didn't want to help other men get laid if he wasn't getting laid. He probably figured, they should've given him enough money to betabuxx if they wanted his help scoring.
I think it’s over for PUA in general. If he want to LARP as a religious man, first thing he has to do is to unpublish everything he wrote previously.
 

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I think it’s over for PUA in general. If he want to LARP as a religious man, first thing he has to do is to unpublish everything he wrote previously.
Well, he's made a dent in it, but he had some rationalizations for why some of that work should remain extant.
 

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Sexual envy is interesting, in that it's probably the strongest and most easily triggered form of envy.

If you succeed in other areas of life, e.g. if you go to the gym and get ripped, or get good grades in school, or make a bunch of money, the guys around you will probably be happy for you. They assume they can be successful in some walk of life that's just as good as what you're successful in. Or they assume maybe they could even achieve the same accomplishments as you in those same areas if they applied themselves.

If you bang a hotter girl than they can bang, though, then probably they'll be like, "I don't wanna hear about it." They feel more insecure about their ability to bang such a girl, and it also bothers them more than your success in other areas of life that they care less about. E.g., let's say you're a successful banker; they might say, "Well, I wouldn't wanna be a banker anyway, even if it pays a lot," but if you bang some hot girl, they would've wanted to bang that girl, so their envy will be more intense with regard to that, since lays with attractive, fertile girls tend to be more ''universally'' (if not more strongly) desired and valued than other experiences and accomplishments in life.
 
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