What happened with Zesto proves, you can't be too nice to your enemies, or even trust your "friends" all that much

Leucosticte

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Zesto was given the keys to the kingdom and he abused them. And, he writes stuff on his forum about how he never really liked me that much to begin with; he says that half of my posts disgusted him or whatever. I guess he has to say that, to distance himself from pedo stuff or whatever it is he allegedly takes issue with.

Vintologi didn't extend that much trust. He got FiC to help him set up the site, but then he took away his access. (Although, as FiC points out, we had control during the whole time this site was on our server, and if we had chosen to fuck @adolf512 over or not keep backups, I guess the whole site would've been gone. But I suppose post-Zestogate, the standards have been raised to prevent a recurrence of such an unfortunate event.)

You know another guy who doesn't really extend a lot of trust, is Reggie. He's always kinda suspected that maybe I'd arbitrarily fuck him over, so to some extent he's been careful to lie or conceal what he knows, etc.

Sucks we have to maintain this kind of distance, but whatever. We're dealing with anonymous, unaccountable people over the Internet. Zesto never revealed his identity to us, which gave him the ability to fuck us over with impunity, because we can't even tell the cops who committed a crime against us, if he does such a thing (as he did, by committing a computer trespass). Nor can we destroy his reputation, the way he tries to by doxxing people; all that's at stake is his online reputation, which he doesn't really care about because he's able to somewhat control and manage it by running a more popular site and suppressing mention of sites that talk bad about him.

Extending trust has helped me at times but it's also caused me problems at other times. And unfortunately, at this point we don't really live in a high-trust society, because there's not a lot of homogeneity among us (e.g. our society has been infiltrated by Jews and we have a lot of mongrels like Zesto running around causing trouble, because being such racial misfits they don't really fit in anywhere of importance and so they have little to lose by just wreaking chaos), and we don't have enough rules for the orderly disposition of, e.g., femoids; so it's kind of a free-for-all, a war of all against all where everyone just tries to grab whatever they can by any means possible, even though their title to what they grab isn't secure.
 

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You do need to limit the amount of harm other people can do to you, when you extent trust you also give other people power over you and this can develop into a bad habit and eventually something bad will happen as a result.

Giving someone admin access will put every user at risk and even if the risk is only 1% that's still unacceptable.

Demanding a paternety test is justified even if you are 95% sure it's just child, it's to protect you and also to get a peace of mind.
 

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Maybe i should just send FiC money for the work he did to pay him off?

I dont like to feel obligated to help people in return, often even if you want to give help back in return thats not even a possibility.

Unfortatily there is no good way to send money to someone outside the SEPA system (or some other local system), in addition if you do pay someone thats potentially a taxable income.
 

Leucosticte

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Maybe i should just send FiC money for the work he did to pay him off?

I dont like to feel obligated to help people in return, often even if you want to give help back in return thats not even a possibility.

Unfortatily there is no good way to send money to someone outside the SEPA system (or some other local system), in addition if you do pay someone thats potentially a taxable income.
Well, the thing is, most tech guys are trustworthy. Most of them are not going to pull an Edward Snowden on you (and even Snowden did what he did because he was trying to be a whistleblower; what was going on offended his morality, which was not a normie morality, or he would've just said, "I should keep doing this job and getting paid good money for it, because nobody else around here is blowing a whistle").

The Wikimedia Foundation has a ton of tech guys, a lot of whom aren't even on their payroll, who have shell access. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/System_administrators#List

Zesto was not a tech guy. I had hopes he might become a tech guy (which was why I gave him shell access), but I guess it's not in his blood.

Why are tech guys more trustworthy? Probably because they're builders rather than destroyers. I guess there have been a few who went rogue, but it's rare. Spergs tend to be principled. Zesto is the opposite of principled; he'll do whatever is necessary to try to destroy competition, even if the competition consists of people who have helped him in the past.

Btw, it kinda sucks that the whole concept of "sperg" has been degraded by applying it to basically anyone who flips out and starts screeching, including SJWs, or guys like GameDev who get pissed off that some chick doesn't like them. I wouldn't really call someone who hangs out on Discord and other normie platforms, and does normie stuff like take screencaps out of context to start drama (which pretty much all Discord users do; it's just part of Discord culture) a sperg. But "sperg out" has come to refer to just any kind of socially unacceptable outburst, no matter what the motive.

I should start a whole thread ranting about that sometime. Basically whenever anyone throws a fit, whether because they're narcissistic, or BPD, or whatever, people will just say, "What an autist."
 
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Well, the thing is, most tech guys are trustworthy. Most of them are not going to pull an Edward Snowden on you (and even Snowden did what he did because he was trying to be a whistleblower; what was going on offended his morality, which was not a normie morality, or he would've just said, "I should keep doing this job and getting paid good money for it, because nobody else around here is blowing a whistle").

The Wikimedia Foundation has a ton of tech guys, a lot of whom aren't even on their payroll, who have shell access. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/System_administrators#List

Zesto was not a tech guy. I had hopes he might become a tech guy (which was why I gave him shell access), but I guess it's not in his blood.
When you have a habit of extending trust you open yourself up to being manipulated into trusting someone else, in the case of zesto there were plenty of warning signs you ignored, usually when someone get scammed there were plenty of warning signs but the victim failed to take the proper action given these signs.

Btw, it kinda sucks that the whole concept of "sperg" has been degraded by applying it to basically anyone who flips out and starts screeching, including SJWs, or guys like GameDev who get pissed off that some chick doesn't like them. I wouldn't really call someone who hangs out on Discord and other normie platforms, and does normie stuff like take screencaps out of context to start drama (which pretty much all Discord users do; it's just part of Discord culture) a sperg. But "sperg out" has come to refer to just any kind of socially unacceptable outburst, no matter what the motive.
If you point out how a group of people are wrong "this will not work becuase of x" they will typically just ignore you so you and they will want you to just shut out and stop pointing out that what they believe in isn't workable.

It can also be pointing out that a group isn't following the principles they claim to believe in and this will of course not be popular either. A more effective way might be to use this deviation from a norm people claim to believe in to advocate something else that people find very offensive such as forced marriage of 15 year old girls "they dont know whats best for them".

reddit.com/r/transmaxxing/comments/fdfbgd/the_case_for_forced_feminization_by_the_government/
 

Leucosticte

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When you have a habit of extending trust you open yourself up to being manipulated into trusting someone else, in the case of zesto there were plenty of warning signs you ignored, usually when someone get scammed there were plenty of warning signs but the victim failed to take the proper action given these signs.
Well, I think toward the end I knew he was kind of a piece of shit, but I underestimated how much of one.
 
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