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Why we should reject feminism
Something i have noticed is that there is a constant flow of feminists coming out as TERFs, often it begins with them making transphobic statements which then just keep getting worse.

Feminism require the rejection of objective reality in favor of nonsensical victim narrative. The victim narrative is required in order to push for anti-male and discriminatory policies (and policies that harm society as a whole).

Feminists has at least since the second wave of feminism been in opposition towards any meaningful gender norms or roles.
But many trans people value the gender roles gender critical feminists are so opposed, you cannot really bring the 2 ideologies together without significantly compromising both.

If you push for a policy that discriminate against men while allowing people to very easily self-identity as another sex than their birth-sex the harms of said policy will be lessened which is good for society but that's still in conflict with bigoted feminism since feminism demands harming when for the sake of equality even if it harms society as a whole.

The issue with gender identity politics is that it's basically meaningless since the common official definition pushed is "you are a women if you identity as such". It's something conservatives have used successfully to attack trans rights in general.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transmaxxing/comments/j8t1i0/is_gender_identity_politics_bad_for_trans_people/

Having some basic norms based on gender is not a bad thing. We see gendered behaviour all across the animal kingdom and i don't see any good reason for humans to be different in that regard.

Things like gendered clothing and roles gives a lot of people an important sense of meaning in life. That guidance is very much needed for most people. Humo Sapiens is a social animal, we are not biologically evolved to be atomized individuals, we evolved in tribed where we took care of each.

Being masculine as a male should be the norm. We need masculine males to win wars and uphold order in society. Masculine men also tends to live better lives.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/study-shows-very-masculine-men-are-more-likely-to-be-happy-and-married
 

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The difference between conservatism and second wave feminism
The only significant difference is that conservatives sometimes oppose elective abortions, especially when late.

But this is not true for all conservatives, it's mostly true for christian conservatives which is why the UK conservative party do not actually try to stop elective abortions, they are fully onboard with second wave feminism.

Some conservatives do try to oppose more of second wave feminism but they still consistently fail at actually getting the fertility rate above replacement.
 

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Was it too late even before the first wave of feminism?
Historically once you grant the right to vote too all males it doesn't take long until it's also granted to women in general.

There are multiple potential reasons for this
0. People in general started believe in letting all citizens above 18 vote and also letting most people in a country have citizenship.
1. Males wanting to attract females to their area by granting them the right to vote there.
2. It was pushed from above by the same or similar people who also pushed for at least granting all male citizens at 18+ the right to vote.
 

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The feminist to transphobe pipeline
Something i have noticed is high profile feminists later coming out as transphobes. This keeps happening and is to be expected since feminism at least since the second wave has been opposed to basic gender norms/roles.
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About female supremacism
Female supremacism doesn't have the issue of requiring a victim narrative to be pushed in order to justify discriminatory anti-male policies since gender equality isn't even the goal in the first place.

Female supremacism can be trans inclusive just fine since the supremacism is usually based around actual sex-characteristics, how you look, etc.

Many Female supremacists still push for the victim narrative though since gender equality as the goal is still a widespread societal dogma in western societies. This strategy however has some problem since further advances of female rights require new increasingly nonsensical justifications such as "the male gaze makes females into victims".

I do think there is some truth to female supremacism but males are still very much needed for the economy and as cannon fodder in wars. The russian meat-wave attacks allowed them to temporary capture Bakhmut.

But once there is only one government left and the economy has automized further most males will no longer be needed and we need to look at solutions for that.

https://vintologi.com/threads/hermaphrodism.882/

But if society instead collapsed males would become much more valuable. Males tends to be valued more than females in less developed societies.
 
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