And the vast majority of modern people on mainstream incel websites are not virgins. Some guy on lookism/looksmax showed me some discord images of guys bragging they have sex with their girlfriends five minutes after logging off incel forums. It's all gentrification by edgy normalfags. There is no way to prove someone is incel online, in the past we just hoped sexist and edgy content kept normalfags away. But now in Gen Z the culture is edgy as fuck, even the liberal and progressive culture is very edgy. I could post degenerate videos I found on tiktok of young teen girls bragging about being whores and sluts. I won't though, I try to keep a pure mind, as wierd as that sounds, I hate the degeneracy of modern peak liberal culture. So that is why incel websites have now been gentrified by edgy Gen Z teenagers who like talking about how they want to kill women and then log off the incel website and go have sex with their girlfriend five minutes later. It's a very weird feeling knowing that there are no online communities for a guy like me an actual 33 year old virgin, I know I can't socialise in real life, but on the damn internet with hundreds of millions of people I still can't find a community to identify with? It's very isolating. I guess I just need to move on with my life and stop trying to use the internet for socialising because it is pointless, the whole concept of social media is a huge mistake. Socializing should only be done IRL, and if you're too incel to get IRL friends you should just accept it and not try to socialize again.