PC hardware


Good hardware options to go for
Here is a list of good hardware that isn't overly expensive. Promising upcoming products will be marked in purple

AMD 5950x
AMD 5900x
AMD 5600x
intel i9-11900k
intel i7-11700k

Intel i9-10900k
intel i9-10850k
intel i9-9900ks
intel i9-9900k

RTX 3090
RTX 3080ti
RTX 3080
RTX 3070
RTX 3060ti
RTX 3060 12GB
AMD 6800xt
AMD 6800
AMD 6700xt
AMD 6700

wd black sn850
sabrent rocket 4 plus
samsung 980 pro
wd black sn750
hp ex950
SK Hynix Gold P31 PCIe 3.0

Samsung 870 QVO
Samsung 860 EVO
Kingston DC450R
Crucial MX500


3060ti would be a decent value option
Only problem is that it's sold out everywhere except where a store has it ridiculously overprized.

The MSRP is 20% lower than 3070 while the performance is 14% lower. 3080 is still the real value option if you can get it for MSRP, it's 300$ more expensive and deliver 51% better performance.
MODEL  cudacores memory      GB/s   price   TMUs Rops SMs TensorCores RTcoes
3090   10496     24GB GDDR6X 936.2  1499$   328  112  82  328         82
3080ti 10496     20GB GDD56X 780.2  999$    328  112  82  328         82
3080   8704      10GB GDDR6X 780.2  699$    272  96   68  272         68
3070ti 7424      10GB GDDR6X ?      599$ ?  232  80   ?   232         58
3070   5888      8GB  GDDR6  448    499$    184  96   46  184         46
3060ti 4864      8GB  GDDR6  448    399$    152  80   38  152         38
3060*  3840      12GB GDDR6  336    329$    120  64   30  120         30
3060*  3584      6GB  GDDR6  336    299$ ?  112  64   28  112         28
The 3070ti is rumored to consist of dies so bad they cannot be used for (3080, 3080ti, 3090) and its unclear if it will even be launched, there might not be enough suitable dies for it.

*The 6GB variant of the 3060 will be more cut down, according to some rumors this card will be named 3050ti which would arguably be less confusing.


3060 12GB is good value at 330$
Nvidia have now presented another GPU and it will be a good option for people on a tight budget, it make all their previous launches look stupid. You get more video ram than the 3080 offer for less than half the cost.

The issue however is that while it does have plenty of vram it is still weak relative to the stronger options so you will have to turn down settings in a lot of games or face bad framerates. Still cheaper and better than buying a PS5 if you already have a system able to support it.



Information on the 2TB 980 PRO & PM9A1 (OEM)

This information comes from /u/TheReal3st:

Some more Info on 980 Pro 2TB availability and PM9A1. Please ignore if you already know / feel free to ask if you want further info.​
980 Pro 2TB: Seems some dealers also still(?) had Jan 14 stored as the release date. I got a mail from Amazon.de tonight (~2am CET) that the 980 2TB is available for 404,90€. However, at about 7am it was back to not in stock. At least two other German dealers have it listed now. One of them (conrad.de) lists it available for 499 € but with a delivery time of over a week (delivery Jan 22-25).​
Regarding the PM9A1: As I mentioned earlier it is sold like crazy right now (yesterday about 100 units were sold, today we are at 340) and some people already have the drive. There are some screenshots showing scores and pictures of the drive in the comments area of a German deal blog (it starts on this page: https://www.mydealz.de/deals/samsun...blb-00b00-bulk-1734015?page=6#thread-comments)​
A selection of the interesting(?) stuff posted:​
Performance (on a B550 board, as bootdrive, 500gb used): https://static.mydealz.de/live/comments/content/Dly1r/30016104.jpg
2 HDTune - performance dropoff similar to 980 Pro at ~ 150GB https://static.mydealz.de/live/comments/content/Db3gR/30019979.jpg
All in all it seems to be very comparable to the 980 Pro, but it has 2048GB instead of 2000GB. I wonder how much the 2TB 980 Pro will cost, but right now the PM9A1 is instantly available for about half the price of a 2TB 980 Pro preorder.​

Previous message:

The 2TB 980 Pro has been listed at amazon.de:​
The Samsung PM9A1 MZVL22T0HBLB-00B00 (2TB Samsung OEM SSD with PCI 4.0) is available for relatively low prices right now. They were listed for about 300€ since late 2020 but yesterday Mindfactory.de (big German PC Hardware store) started selling them for 229€. Since then they sold more than 100​


kivanc said:
Hello mate ^^,iv actually found your forum accidently some months ago while viewing one of the videocardz topics and looking at the comments on the 3080 Ti ,you have some usefull thoughts and comments so have you checked the recent update on 3080 Ti 12 GB on videocardz report? intrested to know your thoughts on this update and this card again ?
Its better than 10GiB but its not really future proof and a significant downgrade from the 20GiB rumoured earlier.

The issue is nvidia being unwilling to cannebalize their 3090, a 20GiB 3080ti would simply be too good so they do not want to give you that, they would have done so anyway if AMD was a stronger competitor.

and most importantly what do you think about the availiblity of the nvidia cards?do you think soon in april or march we will witness wide range stocks like normal times ?i myself have a 1080ti Lightning Z currently and have been waited for these 3000 series cards for so long i skipped the 2080ti cuz it wasnt worth it as u know,and 1 more question do you think G.Skill will release 5000+5333Mhz Royal memories for Z590?
If i had a 1080ti i would just wait for the 4080ti i think. The issue i have is that i am stuck with a 1060 3GiB until i upgrade so i might have to go for 3060 or 3080ti (12GiB).

Availability will depend on the crypto market, its profitable to mine etherium and other coins now so its easier to justify buying an expensive GPU, you might make your money back from just mining.

We have not reached peak mania yet on crypto so its too early to go short i think.


The etherium mining restriction is bad for gamers
That just means less ability for you to pay off the cost of the GPU via mining (when you are not gaming) and it pushes miners to buy CMP cards that are worthless for anything but mining.



The 3080ti is both good and bad news for gamers
As expected nvidia did launch a 3080ti but is was pretty much the worst possible outcome for the consumers. Nvidia planned to sell it for 999$ MSRP but they decided to price-gauge it to 1199$ which is even worse value than the 3090 at MSRP.


Of course even at 1199$ it will not really be realistic for nvidia to keep the price at the MSRP, a few will be sold at 1199$ but many of these will be grabbed by scalpers reselling them for much more. Since they cannot meet the demand even at 1199$ why sell it for less?

The dies being used for the 3080ti are probably dies that would otherwise mostly have been used for a 3080, this is good in the sense that it results in better usage of the silicon (better performance) but bad since the MSRP is 500$ higher.

Furthermore if there is a GDDR6x shortage then offering 12 GiB models does make sense since then they only need half the VRAM for each model (allowing them to sell more GPUs) the only problems is that the ones buying these overpriced cards will be stuck with less VRAM than console peasants* which is very likely to limit you at some point if you buy that, the second problem is that this is assuming the dies would have otherwise been used to make RTX 3090 GPUs when in reality otherwise these dies would probably have been cut down further and sold as 3080.

Nvidia should lower the price when/if the shortages come to an end or raise the 3080 and 3090 MSRP (mostly the 3080 one, 700$ is too cheap right now) to make their shareholders happier. Ironically now the 3080ti will actually be relatively cheap at the MSRP compared to what other cards sell for currently.

Even without the titan drivers the 3090 is still way better for productivity.

*12 GiB VRAM is still more than what you effectively get with any console but you shouldn't have to do mental gymnastics like that to demonstrate how it's better than console gaming (even if it's technically correct).

The mining restrictions are not great news if it means you will be restricted to newer drivers, you might run into a situation where older drivers perform better.


Is the GPU situation about to normalize?

GPUs keep being made and eventually they are going to saturate the market, additionally the etherium pricy has gone down recently




3070ti offers terrible value
No surprise here. Doesn't really have any redeeming qualities besides the small form-factor and the fact that other cards are hard to get.



Will there be a 3080 super?
Nvidia will still lose out cutting down GA-102 dies to use for the 3080 when they could sell as something way better such as a 3080 super.

Best case scenario is them offering a variant with 20GiB Vram and more cores than the 3080.

But there hasn't really been any rumors pointing in this direction (at least not recently) so it might be just wishful thinking.