Why trans and intersex activists lost

[Admin]

When you are a small minority you will have to rely upon others to defend your rights and that will not always work out particularly great.

In democracies it's very important that you are able to sell the policies to people. It's not about what's actually good for society, it's about convincing stupid people to vote for you.

While trans activists did get traction in the democrat party the republicans increasingly turned themselves against trans people and that's not a good situation to be in since historically those parties have taken turns governing as voters shift back and forth between them (most voters don't change parties but some do).

What trans activists in the US needed to achieve was at least one of the following

0. Destroy the republican party.
1. Push the republicans to support them (have to be achieved before they win again)

Generally the left believes in democracy making them unwilling to resort to the extreme authoritarian measures required to achieve 0 and mainstream pro trans ideology was too unappealing to conservatives and people on the right to achieve 1.

 

[Admin]

Backstabbed by feminists
A lot of trans activists believes in feminism not wanting to see how the real feminism is TERF ideology. Real feminists will never accept them no matter how much they grovel and sell out in an attempt to gain acceptance.

Perhaps if they trans activists had rejected feminists more and embraced the more oldschool trans ideology (that were more focused on gender roles and expectations rather than gender identity) they would have maintained more support among the right.

 

[Admin]

Weak and inept allies
Looking at the people trans activists allied themselves with it's no surprise that they lost. It's weak and incompetent leaders like joe biden who fail to defend their rights even when they are given the power.

Basically they ended up in a bad team that keeps losing and it's hard for them to even change team at this point (at least in the US).

 

[Admin]

People saw that opposing trans activists came with no real consequences
When people see that you get away with (or even profit from) opposing you they are just going to do that more and more.

Part of the reason why intersex activists had so little success is that there just weren't any consequences that came with opposing them and now the same thing is happening with trans activists, people simply ignore them.

That is a consequence of being a small minority weak with allies, people will be able to attack you with impunity.

 

[Admin]

Running against trans-rights is easy
It's easy to sell people on "let's not have people with penises in female locker rooms" and "we need to protect womens sports from men pretending to be women" and while those policies are wrong dumb voters will still fall for it.

It doesn't even matter whether or not trans females have any advantage over cis females in some competition. Even conservatives today think that women's sports is a great thing (it isn't) and they will think that trans females have an advantage even if they do not since they don't know much about what HRT actually does.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transmaxxing/comments/sojtuw/about_womens_sports/

Things like puberty blockers and people under 18 having mastectomies also doesn't help.

It's pretty clear that the main reason for restrictions on trans healthcare was people born females wanting various treatments which caused a big panic (justified or not).

 

[Admin]

Going against individual and societal survival of the fittest
Evolution selects for people who actually reproduce and here is a problem. Current medical transition options are pretty bad when it comes to fertility and this will naturally cause a lot of people to turn against it for that reason alone (even if it is otherwise beneficial).

People often want to have grand-children and that is unlikely to happen for a child who go on puberty blockers and later have SRS (this remains the case even if sperm is banked since that is very rarely actually utilized).

It's also in the interest of society to push people with valuable genetics to reproduce but letting anyone transition goes against that.

Of course here feminism and liberalism is the bigger issue but trans activists tried allying themselves in that camp and now they will go down with them.

Even if liberal leaders remain manage to keep the authoritarian pro-natalists out of power domestically they will still end up being crushed due to being invaded from some other country.

Trump has already talked about annexing greenland, canada and the panama canal and he is likely to eventually resort to military force for territorial expansion (it's just a question about where).

 

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Institutional power vs actual military power
People defending transgender medicine often cited "every major medical organisation" in an attempt to get people to support it which didn't exactly work out particularly well.

While it can be useful to have positions of authority at universities that power very much pale in comparison to the amount of power that can be wielded by a president and that is assuming the president doesn't go full authoritarian. If you actually go fully authoritarian and have the military on your side there is very little professors on universities can do to stop you, instead the universities will simply have to cave or get utterly crushed.

Even courts that does grant some formal political power are weak and an authoritarian president isn't going to respect those courts either. He/she might for awhile pretend to go along with the courts while still ignoring them in practice (and give some bullshit legal excuses for doing so).

In the end power is about the physical usage of force and everything else is examples or indirect power which relies on the people with control over hte actual army respecting those wielding more indirect forms of power (such as the military being unwilling to go against the supreme court).

 

[Creamer]

because the tech (non homolougus imprinting) is not there yet.
no one would support ugly troons.

women should just opt to wearing strap-ons instead.

 

[Admin]

To the trans activists upset about me going against their narrative.
How about you stop spreading misinformation to people and maybe for once start telling people the truth? Sure you might believe the lies yourself but have you actually tried doing at least some research on your own?
If you have a big platform you also have a big responsibility or at least you should have.
Here is the reality

0. Gender identity is not fixed at birth.
1. Puberty blockers are harmful and is a bad option compared to alternative(s).
2. trans people are not over-represented among murder victims.
3. AGP is a real thing and common in both sexes.
4. You having AGP as a male does not mean that you are trans or that you need to transition. Most people with it do just fine without transitioning.
5. Children/teens typically lose interest in doing so as they grow up.
6. SRS 'vaginas' does not look like real actual vaginas. Trans people often claim it looks like a real one but nobody is able to actual prove it, all we have are pictures of SRS 'vaginas' that look very different from the real thing (which i personally find very unappealing).
7. While we do see benefits from medical transition in various trials we have not found it to reduce suicide mortality (in part due to said mortality being low to begin with).

I am aware that some people believe that you shouldn't tell the truth if it results in people being harmed but those people often overlook the harms caused by spreading misinformation/lies.

https://vintologi.com/threads/why-puberty-blockers-is-a-bad-idea.975/

Often the biggest victims are trans people themselves.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transmaxxing/comments/sngky9/why_srs_is_a_bad_idea/

One thing in particular trans activists want to push is the notion that being trans would be some innate characteristics. Over time however the narrative surrounding that has changed, initially they pushed the "born in the wrong body" notion but later they shifted more towards gender identity.

Reality however isn't like that and people in general are far more flexible when it comes to gender than what trans activists want to believe.

https://vintologi.com/threads/science-regarding-transexualism.566/page-2

Here a big problem is projection. People with strong preferences for being one particular gender assume that the same will hold true for others which will result in them misunderstanding other people and project things that simply aren't there.

The consequences
Not only did trans activists misinform people resulting in bad medical decisions they also failed politically speaking.
People don't want to listen to what trans activists have to say anymore and they get increasingly ignored. Even the left seem to have largely lost interest by now and focuses on other things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transmaxxing/comments/1if8daq/why_trans_and_intersex_activists_lost/

The problem is that because of their failures transmaxxers are affected as well. There is currently a lot of uncertainty regarding the rights/safety of trans people in the US in particular and it's very unclear to me what is going to happen next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrAb22L0fQc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1AjyCWQtOE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbPelwwuXVU

I was thinking about doing an update but not much has changed.

While the Trump administration is obviously unfriendly towards trans people things could have been far worse by now and things can also change to something far worse.

 

[Admin]

The trans ideology they pushed was poisoned by gender-critical feminism and people were in the right to oppose it
The focus wasn't to allow trans people to live good lives. The focus was on hating men and opposing gender roles/norms even the most basic ones.

A good member of our discord wrote:

I'd say there are 2 or 3 forms of radical feminism that really ruined the perception of trans ideology when they adopted them.

Being associated with the cultural mess that was made of it though as well, in media and gaming, with all the franchises ruined and basically just radicalizing so many men turning them against anything associated with it was such a mistake. Paired with the gender-critical flavour of rad-feminism which basically looks ridiculous and stupidly demanding in the eyes of regular guys it was all a disaster. I hope someday we can make the West more like Thailand when it comes to Trans acceptance.

I heard one of these trans activists talk about how Thailand is "transphobic" as they objectify the image of transwomen.